HOLLY FUCK Does the us actually believe that? The shortest range iranian fpv drone has a range of 40-50kms. It can be launched from the iranian shore and reach every part of the island.
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HOLLY FUCK Does the us actually believe that? The shortest range iranian fpv drone has a range of 40-50kms. It can be launched from the iranian shore and reach every part of the island.
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50But, the Strait is an even worse option. Really 'Scylla and Charybdis' vibes
Way I see it they can try for the Strait, for Tehran or for the nuke site.
that's assuming the invade it. What happens if the US just decides to destroy every piece of Iran's oil infrastructure
They are perfectly capable of doing this and have said/demonstrated as much
Good question. Iran has said that it will destroy the entire energy/oil/natgas infrastructure of every Arab state and of israel. All of them. Saudi/uae/bahrein/oman all of them. And as we've seen, they most definitely can do that.
The nuke site will be a suicide mission. Or worse. They get captured. Nobody will exfill. Nobody.
Iran doesn't need oil infrastructure, and destroying GCC infra isn't in their interest. They can just switch to operating a toll booth, they don't need to produce any oil.
These are not the same games that the US was playing 15 years ago, and I fear that people are still assuming that.
The USG has already shown a willingness to both shoulder a short-term economic pain and also allow the infliction of pain on the rest of the world.
Taps sign
as I've mentioned before, I don't think the world is keen on Iran doing a mafia tactic on the globe and will look the other way if a bigger bully roughs them up.
Turn the semites into blood sucking cannibals like they were for all of their pre-oil existence.
that's why the jews have the americans to do their dirty work
The Anglosphere is going to have far bigger problems.
Nothing about the Persians' behavior thus far indicates that they are bluffing
If oil is $100, Europe will buy from whoever is selling at $100. If Saudi wants to sell them oil, and Iran charges a $20 toll, Saudi has to sell at $80 or else their oil is uncompetitive.
Russia -> The only thing they're unhappy about is that oil isn't higher.
China -> Happy enough because Iran will let them pay in CNY, and then turn it around and use it to buy drone engines...
Everyone else? The UN? What does Iran need from anyone? The US and Israel can bomb Tehran to the stone age and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Iranians hiding in the mountains can destroy any ship they want in the Hormuz and there's nothing anyone can do about that either...
if there is demand destruction, people will care.
But a toll does not have that effect at all.
Saudi can pump profitably at $50/barrel. So even if none of this happened, Iran could have imposed a toll of $current_oil_price - 50, and that toll would be paid ENTIRELY by Saudi.
Why? Because offering to sell oil at above market doesn't work. Nobody buys it.
And if Saudi takes the hit, nobody loses except Saudi (and Wall Street)...
That's because some % of all the money they have to spend on oil is coming right back to them in purchase orders. And that % of what everyone else in the world spends on oil is as well....
"Special privilege, gwailo."
right. and that's why the whole long term status of them running a tollbooth is not operational.
It's about establishing a discount on oil in the gulf, vs. oil on the high seas. The more that discount is, the more toll they can charge.
indeed. and it seems like china may want to get back to business, but we'll see how much
If the US was actually in control of its affairs, it could have probably kept that situation going forever.
The biggest losers are London, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and a number of American vassals.
The Que Bono calculus here is strange, America's military prestige is taking a major hit, but this whole thing is hugely beneficial to it's industrial-mercantile interests. The oil industry gets a fat margin, the Military-Industrial complex gets a flood of new orders, the AI-Industrial complex gets new demand for spooling up new industrial capacity, and it's so much it's likely to offset the employment destruction that AI will set off.
Tactically, the Iran war is idiocy. Logistically, it's diverting important mercantile flows towards American, Russian, and Chinese producers.
From an American Oil baron's point of view, Iran's threat to cut off the Strait of Hormuz is a "don't throw me into that briar patch" moment. They have been having issues with profitability with oil at 50-60 for so long in the face of cost inflation.
MAD
Iran destroys Arab oil infra in return. World's total oil output significantly reduced. Worldwide depression and decivilization.
Iran will give a sweetheart deal to China. What anybody else can do about it?
And Wall Street, and the tech bubble.
> America's military prestige is taking a major hit
This is probably the end of Pax Americana, which means the USD reserve system is probably also in a decline that will never turn around.
It's obvious that the US can level every inch of Iran's oil production, and they can certainly damage the rest of the persian gulf's oil.
If people believe that Iran is going to do that anyway, they'll end up blaming Iran for a retaliation they do against the US if the US attacks first, which ultimately wouldn't be a good situation for them.
Why? The arab states are sunni. And they have no power. Only what America has. Iran doesn't want to be on their good side ffs they've been hating each other for 1300 years+. And iran cant just damage the arabs oil production. It can end it completely.
If Blormpf wipes out Iran's infra and in return Iran does the same to the Arabs, the world will blame Blormpf. Not just with starting this retarded war, but also with escalating to world economic destruction levels.
Iran's vision is to smooth over issues between Shia and Sunni, and create an islamic state which rules the whole middle east.
We don't know if it can end it completely, that depends on a lot of factors. Since the intercepts of the Iranian attacks has been not 100, what they have left versus the amount of targets they have matters a lot in terms of that calculation.
The USD system is not ours, nor for our (long term/overall) benefit, so seeing it decline is a short term pain/long term gain situation. Wall Street IS the tech bubble, and it's not a bubble yet. I do think Judge is right on this one, we are in another industrial revolution phase change, and the ground is shifting again. That presents opportunity to make new fortunes, and end-run around jewish gatekeeping. It's to our benefit that Wall Street does well with AI, and that we ride that wave to a position of productive capability. That's my current strategy, anyway.
The History Legends guy made a strong argument that they're going to go for Chabahar Bay in Baluchistan in the southeast; they're Sunnis there and they will try to create chaos by splitting them and the Kurds off at the same time.
Exactly right
True. But the kurds are fake. They're all retarded mongoloids who can't fight (they're a psyop, Greece was in large part responsible for it, we literally funded and trained the PKK for 2 decades as a thorn on turkeys side and i am here to tell you it was all fake and gay, the kurds are a bad joke wrapped in retardation). So....
GAE started it so that leaves it to GAE to end it in some way, and fake "ceasefires" aren't going to cut it. And given that it was a war of choice by GAE no one in the empire-proper is going to say "welp at least Trump completely flattened Iran" when they're paying $10 a gallon for gas (and the same for a loaf of bread).
US (continent) most likely benefits from collapse of the US (empire) because America is mostly an isolated economy.
Russia is rearming them daily from the Caspian sea with chink stuff. Iran has replanished most of the drones it has used through that route alone (hence the kikes attempting strikes in the Caspian see). Chinks are making drones for them like they're funko pops. They're not running out. Ever. And just the money iran made until it closed tbe straits alongside what Russia made can pay for hundreds of thousands of drones.
We can call it . . . 'Outer Heaven'
Yep, the USA is essentially two political entities, a land empire and a maritime empire, and they hate each other and have contrary interests.
Plus, the U.S. military's performance has actually been quite pathetic. The Air Force magazine admitted to losing at least 20 aircraft against an enemy with little to no air force.
Most were hit on the ground. By the missiles and drones iran was supposed to have run out of.
Yes. This is not a sustainable loss pattern for a deindustrialized country
It's two sovereign nations trading, that's not "smuggling". Of course weapon deliveries to the ukraine are not "smuggling", that's "aid". I hate these word-twisting assholes.
it feels like people need to be realistic about supply lines. Never is a very very big word
That's navy btw. F18.
I lost context here. What are you referring to?