HOLLY FUCK Does the us actually believe that? The shortest range iranian fpv drone has a range of 40-50kms. It can be launched from the iranian shore and reach every part of the island.
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1HOLLY FUCK Does the us actually believe that? The shortest range iranian fpv drone has a range of 40-50kms. It can be launched from the iranian shore and reach every part of the island.
But, the Strait is an even worse option. Really 'Scylla and Charybdis' vibes
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50that's assuming the invade it. What happens if the US just decides to destroy every piece of Iran's oil infrastructure
They are perfectly capable of doing this and have said/demonstrated as much
Iran doesn't need oil infrastructure, and destroying GCC infra isn't in their interest. They can just switch to operating a toll booth, they don't need to produce any oil.
as I've mentioned before, I don't think the world is keen on Iran doing a mafia tactic on the globe and will look the other way if a bigger bully roughs them up.
If oil is $100, Europe will buy from whoever is selling at $100. If Saudi wants to sell them oil, and Iran charges a $20 toll, Saudi has to sell at $80 or else their oil is uncompetitive.
Russia -> The only thing they're unhappy about is that oil isn't higher.
China -> Happy enough because Iran will let them pay in CNY, and then turn it around and use it to buy drone engines...
Everyone else? The UN? What does Iran need from anyone? The US and Israel can bomb Tehran to the stone age and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Iranians hiding in the mountains can destroy any ship they want in the Hormuz and there's nothing anyone can do about that either...
if there is demand destruction, people will care.
But a toll does not have that effect at all.
Saudi can pump profitably at $50/barrel. So even if none of this happened, Iran could have imposed a toll of $current_oil_price - 50, and that toll would be paid ENTIRELY by Saudi.
Why? Because offering to sell oil at above market doesn't work. Nobody buys it.
And if Saudi takes the hit, nobody loses except Saudi (and Wall Street)...
That's because some % of all the money they have to spend on oil is coming right back to them in purchase orders. And that % of what everyone else in the world spends on oil is as well....
"Special privilege, gwailo."
It's about establishing a discount on oil in the gulf, vs. oil on the high seas. The more that discount is, the more toll they can charge.
indeed. and it seems like china may want to get back to business, but we'll see how much
right. and that's why the whole long term status of them running a tollbooth is not operational.
The biggest losers are London, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and a number of American vassals.
The Que Bono calculus here is strange, America's military prestige is taking a major hit, but this whole thing is hugely beneficial to it's industrial-mercantile interests. The oil industry gets a fat margin, the Military-Industrial complex gets a flood of new orders, the AI-Industrial complex gets new demand for spooling up new industrial capacity, and it's so much it's likely to offset the employment destruction that AI will set off.
Tactically, the Iran war is idiocy. Logistically, it's diverting important mercantile flows towards American, Russian, and Chinese producers.
From an American Oil baron's point of view, Iran's threat to cut off the Strait of Hormuz is a "don't throw me into that briar patch" moment. They have been having issues with profitability with oil at 50-60 for so long in the face of cost inflation.
And Wall Street, and the tech bubble.
> America's military prestige is taking a major hit
This is probably the end of Pax Americana, which means the USD reserve system is probably also in a decline that will never turn around.
The USD system is not ours, nor for our (long term/overall) benefit, so seeing it decline is a short term pain/long term gain situation. Wall Street IS the tech bubble, and it's not a bubble yet. I do think Judge is right on this one, we are in another industrial revolution phase change, and the ground is shifting again. That presents opportunity to make new fortunes, and end-run around jewish gatekeeping. It's to our benefit that Wall Street does well with AI, and that we ride that wave to a position of productive capability. That's my current strategy, anyway.
US (continent) most likely benefits from collapse of the US (empire) because America is mostly an isolated economy.
Yep, the USA is essentially two political entities, a land empire and a maritime empire, and they hate each other and have contrary interests.
We can call it . . . 'Outer Heaven'
Iran will give a sweetheart deal to China. What anybody else can do about it?
It's obvious that the US can level every inch of Iran's oil production, and they can certainly damage the rest of the persian gulf's oil.
If people believe that Iran is going to do that anyway, they'll end up blaming Iran for a retaliation they do against the US if the US attacks first, which ultimately wouldn't be a good situation for them.
Why? The arab states are sunni. And they have no power. Only what America has. Iran doesn't want to be on their good side ffs they've been hating each other for 1300 years+. And iran cant just damage the arabs oil production. It can end it completely.
Iran's vision is to smooth over issues between Shia and Sunni, and create an islamic state which rules the whole middle east.
We don't know if it can end it completely, that depends on a lot of factors. Since the intercepts of the Iranian attacks has been not 100, what they have left versus the amount of targets they have matters a lot in terms of that calculation.
Russia is rearming them daily from the Caspian sea with chink stuff. Iran has replanished most of the drones it has used through that route alone (hence the kikes attempting strikes in the Caspian see). Chinks are making drones for them like they're funko pops. They're not running out. Ever. And just the money iran made until it closed tbe straits alongside what Russia made can pay for hundreds of thousands of drones.
It's two sovereign nations trading, that's not "smuggling". Of course weapon deliveries to the ukraine are not "smuggling", that's "aid". I hate these word-twisting assholes.
it feels like people need to be realistic about supply lines. Never is a very very big word
True. Zog should stop believing iran is running out of stuff.
Running out is relative. Who is running out of what first makes a yuge difference.
America will never run out of money. But it simply can't physically produce enough stuff. That can't be changed in any significant time frame in the foreseeable future. Iran won't run out of anything unless Russia and china decide or are forced somehow to not rearm/resupply them. That's the situation.
remember supply lines don't care how much stuff you have sitting on one end
True.
Indeed. I'm just not sure that long term a small supply of drones is going to be an effective weapon.
True, but I don't think it's a good bet to think we will have more luck cutting off Iranian supply than Russia has had with Ukraine. That's going on 4 years now.
that's a good point to compare against for sure. They don't need to last 4 years in any case; but it's also not a ground war (as of now)
I think from Iran's standpoint, attacking other neighbors isn't an effective short to mid term tactic
Iran's goal is to cause revolutions in the GCC countries because the royal families are not super well liked by the normal people there...
We don't really know if this is gonna work out for them, but we also don't know that it won't...
There are sizeable shia minorities in those nations.
I don't think this is a "make a god bleed" scenario because the US was bloodied pretty substantially in Iraq and they didn't leave for a fucking forever, which works against "just do this one rash thing and you'll immediately win"
Neither are China and Russia (in the other direction). And they are in Iran's corner, if for no other reason just to fuck with the US.
But just like people get mad about the US being a bad ally, Iran also might need to be careful assuming that support is infinite.
Russia loses iran and America plops forces in the Caspian sea from an impenetrable mountain fort. That's another Ukraine right there only worse. Theyll stick with iran as long as physically possible just for that reason alone.
you're assuming that they will have to make no choices between ukraine and iran. I am assuming that is possible and they will choose ukraine.
That is wildly theoretical. The trends are currently going in the opposite direction.
China will also support Iran. Possibly even Turkey if for no other reason because they don't want to be next.
They send some weapons, and maybe Iran even pays for them since they have toll booth cash... And out of this, they get three things:
1. Oil price goes up, so they're making bank selling oil
2. US expending resources in Iran so they can't give them to Ukraine
3. Nobody is paying any attention to Ukraine, so Russia can just bomb the crap out of them without making any news - and no news means no will to provide support
Its America they can bleed badly. Its israel. That's the thing here.
I think they already did make Israel bleed last year, which is in part why we are here.
Nah. Israel would do this anyway. Jews aren't reactive. Neither saddam nor gaddafi fucked with them before they fucked with them. Nothing anyone does affects jew plans to destroy them. Except fighting and pogroming them of course
I mean, jews are paranoid, and paranoia will absolutely trigger reactive behavior. ( As well as just straight up fake shit )
We're here because of Greater Israel. If Iran loses, we'll be there against Turkey. Isreal already stated this openly.
The thing to note is that just because they have insane plans it doesn't mean they work out.
The *critical* problem is that we already were bought into the Iran bullshit which none of these fucking gay boomer politicians will back away from.
Any fomenting they have done anywhere else, like Syria has been met with extremely limited support from the government and nothing at all from people. Turkey is going to be worse, and they're already in NATO to boot.