The alt-fem to anti-rapist pipeline is real (AND HERE’S WHY THAT’S A GOOD THING)
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But also a retvrn to tradition where rapists are punished would be good for society. Not post hoc consent revocation either, actual rape with actual severe punishment
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50most ppl here are simply wrong and my patience wears thin. prevention is better than cure. as they enter adolescence, lack of empathy is clearly discernible. watch them closely for a few years so that several people can be absolutely certain about the diagnosis.
psychopaths are obvious and must disappear at 10-12 years. quick dispatch is necessary because of danger to smaller children.
general narcs/antisocial/creepy should disappear at 14-16 years. before they get too big/strong. their parents getting older and less likely to make a replacement child.
pre-crime is a dangerous concept. Specifically because a lot of “symptoms“ of antisocial personality disorders are explained away with other causes, especially at a young age with changing hormones. Caning offenders seems to work great, because it hurts so bad you can even do a shorter jail sentence and have very low recidivism with average people. At least in Singapore.
No stable legal system uses "pre-crime". It's occasionally tried in Asian shithole dictatorships, but local officials invariably use it to frame their political adversaries, because Corruption Is An Actual Thing You Can't Handwave Away.
It's already bad enough that you have government officials settling personal scores using the legal system as a hammer. Imagine what happens when you get rid of the requirement that there be some kind of convincing evidence that a crime has occurred. They'll just go nuts and chase down whoever they want.
This is also BTW why "eugenics" (government sterilizing those with weak genes) is a dead end. Any system that is not robust against corruption is NGMI.
This is also BTW why "eugenics" (government sterilizing those with weak genes) is a dead end. Any system that is not robust against corruption is NGMI.
why do you involve the state?
Because I just assumed that nobody would be dumb enough to consider combining pre-crime with vigilante justice at the same time.
That basically amounts to "I punch anyone I don't like the look of", jail was literally invented to contain people who do that.
That basically amounts to "I punch anyone I don't like the look of", jail was literally invented to contain people who do that.
>Minority Report but it’s just an angry goober punching 10 year old children who act too goofy on the playground
Yea, vigilante justice does KIND OF work if the guy you're doing justice to is very obviously a horrible person, everybody 100% knows it, and the public justice system is doing absolutely nothing.
Pre-crime doesn't really work at all, but it seems like it might work if it was very institutionalized and the case was made against the people in a very convincing way - it still doesn't work, but for subtle reasons.
Combining the two is just being a violent psychopath that punishes whoever the voices tell him to.
Pre-crime doesn't really work at all, but it seems like it might work if it was very institutionalized and the case was made against the people in a very convincing way - it still doesn't work, but for subtle reasons.
Combining the two is just being a violent psychopath that punishes whoever the voices tell him to.
>i drive a 3rd hand nissan with body damage, 2 color panels, tinted windows, loud exhaust and loud music. what do i look like?
we both know the answer to this, and yes there is some gray area but 9 times out of 10 if you were a cop and pulled over one of these vehicles you'd find guns and drugs
precrime is a silly idea, but profiling and logical use of policing isn't
plus people ignore that cops patrol the same places, they know the faces, they know what people are up to. shit if you ever did any of these behaviors you'd also see the patterns when people are doing criminal shit
we both know the answer to this, and yes there is some gray area but 9 times out of 10 if you were a cop and pulled over one of these vehicles you'd find guns and drugs
precrime is a silly idea, but profiling and logical use of policing isn't
plus people ignore that cops patrol the same places, they know the faces, they know what people are up to. shit if you ever did any of these behaviors you'd also see the patterns when people are doing criminal shit
I would go so far as to say it's reasonable to expect everyone who wants to live / be in a certain place to carry liability insurance (or have enough assets to sue) in case they do criminal shit.
But none of these things are the same as actual pre-crime, because they can't really be used by a corrupt official to frame somebody for "criminal intent".
But none of these things are the same as actual pre-crime, because they can't really be used by a corrupt official to frame somebody for "criminal intent".
As much as I hate the concept of using insurance to mitigate antisocial behavior, it’s at least a solution to a lot of the unacknowledged problems in libertarian adjacent ideas. The likely results would be a social credit score mandated by a private company, but at least the rules would be more transparent.
Yeah, fucking insurance companies.
Hence "or enough assets" because otherwise they're gonna make everyone pay 2k/month :(
Hence "or enough assets" because otherwise they're gonna make everyone pay 2k/month :(
“You must be above THIS WEALTHY to use the commons” is an interesting idea.
They already kind of do it with house prices.
But "assets that can be sued" makes it so it doesn't drain you out with a mortgage just to live in a safe neighborhood.
And insurance at least offers the possibility that "known to be a good person" MIGHT be substituted for "wealthy". If insurance would be deregulated so it's not all controlled by like 3 companies, that would probably go along way to fixing the fuckery in that business.
But "assets that can be sued" makes it so it doesn't drain you out with a mortgage just to live in a safe neighborhood.
And insurance at least offers the possibility that "known to be a good person" MIGHT be substituted for "wealthy". If insurance would be deregulated so it's not all controlled by like 3 companies, that would probably go along way to fixing the fuckery in that business.
Ah yes. Solving the problem of psychopathy by... murdering children when they are unruly...
@MartianM00n @BowsacNoodle @cjd
when they're inhuman, it's not murder.
OH NO, HE JUST DID THE "THE GOYUM ARE NOT HUMAN" LINE
We live in the real world, and your anarcho vigilantism would be crushed by a group of people collectively deciding as individuals to put you in a cage for being an antisocial goober
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nation states are only 300 years old and they are dying more often then "reproduced" (via colonialism); there will be collective violence but I doubt in 200 years it looks like a British/french-law democracy for the majority of the world
There several post-state actors already with isis and the cartels, and the commies gifted every 3rd world nation ak's; you will never again conquer these places with 12 British men with muskets looking at some caveman-like spearmen.
nation states are only 300 years old and they are dying more often then "reproduced" (via colonialism); there will be collective violence but I doubt in 200 years it looks like a British/french-law democracy for the majority of the world
There several post-state actors already with isis and the cartels, and the commies gifted every 3rd world nation ak's; you will never again conquer these places with 12 British men with muskets looking at some caveman-like spearmen.
trvke
maybe nation states are relatively young in concept, but i sure don't remember reading abotu any periods of anarchy taht weren't swiftly ended by neighbors invading and carving up said area in most of history, but when a libertarian says state, i'm sure they mean any kind of centralized authority that would constitute a 'government' be it a local lord a king a mayor or president.
The Nation-State is indeed relatively new, but what's new is the idea of a people bound together by blood and soil. Kingdoms and republics have existed for ~essentially ever.
Traditional Kingdoms are the prototypical Nation-States.
point is i thinkt hat a liberterian would chafe under any government that wanted contributions in the form of taxes and that's mainly what they care about
Of course you're right, and any kind of NAP, etc is a non-starter...
BUT
It needs to be acknowledged that the New Hampshire guys are making Massive Progress, just kind of using the libertarian banner as a rallying cry but not getting too into the weeds on (dead-end) lolbert philosophy.
BUT
It needs to be acknowledged that the New Hampshire guys are making Massive Progress, just kind of using the libertarian banner as a rallying cry but not getting too into the weeds on (dead-end) lolbert philosophy.
That’s a whole big high-trust thing they inherited, tho; good on them for running with it
One thing is Jeremy Kauffman and Travis Corcoran are both software engineers, so they intuitively get complexity.
At some point Kauffman just came out and said libertarianism just cannot work with certain types of people so they must be excluded or else it is guaranteed to fail. That perspective is just bonkers for the old ☮️ 🌿 🌈 libertarians, but these guys are running with it...
At some point Kauffman just came out and said libertarianism just cannot work with certain types of people so they must be excluded or else it is guaranteed to fail. That perspective is just bonkers for the old ☮️ 🌿 🌈 libertarians, but these guys are running with it...
"Marches" were areas around an empire where they are less populated, but generally more capable of violence, and unable to be taxed. You may take an army and kill those who stand up every once in a while, but your losing resources if they dont turn into tax payers.
While these are technically not part of our system, thats only skin deep, somilia runs on their blood fueds, the cartels are not paying taxes to america.
If you look at kowloon it popped up where the British empire found a power it could not simply take over and people disinterested in pay taxes to either china or Britain found themselves in a very very small "march".
Stateless somilia is much much larger then kowloon.
Im essentially predicting that the unofficial marches will exponentially grow; i.e. iran and somilia-like governments are likely to be large chunks of africa and the middle east if america has a minor political crisis and they pull the aircraft carriers home for any reason.
Russia and china are both very large and this communism-nation-state; if globalism/un falls apart, they will likely go in a different direction then america. They dont want to be democractic so maybe they revert to empires or do something new.
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Maybe america and europe stay nation states for centuries more. But the concepts are half truths at best for large chunks of the rest of the world. Both parties are turning inward, and want to invest less and less in at least the middle east.
But if the middle east becomes "a march", thats forever retreating from the battle lines the British empire set; I see no way to ever retake the reach of the "international order".(Id argue weve already been retreating for decades, we let the Muslim socailists steal the oil wells from the 7 sisters)
While these are technically not part of our system, thats only skin deep, somilia runs on their blood fueds, the cartels are not paying taxes to america.
If you look at kowloon it popped up where the British empire found a power it could not simply take over and people disinterested in pay taxes to either china or Britain found themselves in a very very small "march".
Stateless somilia is much much larger then kowloon.
Im essentially predicting that the unofficial marches will exponentially grow; i.e. iran and somilia-like governments are likely to be large chunks of africa and the middle east if america has a minor political crisis and they pull the aircraft carriers home for any reason.
Russia and china are both very large and this communism-nation-state; if globalism/un falls apart, they will likely go in a different direction then america. They dont want to be democractic so maybe they revert to empires or do something new.
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Maybe america and europe stay nation states for centuries more. But the concepts are half truths at best for large chunks of the rest of the world. Both parties are turning inward, and want to invest less and less in at least the middle east.
But if the middle east becomes "a march", thats forever retreating from the battle lines the British empire set; I see no way to ever retake the reach of the "international order".(Id argue weve already been retreating for decades, we let the Muslim socailists steal the oil wells from the 7 sisters)
>only 300 years old
>he doesn't know
>he doesn't know
Because that is the state's job.
ignorance is bliss. enjoy it while you can.
perhaps one day your toddler will be attacked by an 11 year old psychopath as mine was. hopefully you'll be just around the corner as i was.
your kid might emerge from the encounter merely shaken… or maimed… or worse. might be taken by the hand and led away to "get ice cream". maybe never seen again. maybe mutilated remains found on some wasteland.
anyway, have fun being nice and forgiving to psychopaths and trying to help them. i can't tell you how many dumbfucks i've seen doing that.
You claim to support imprisonment of psychopaths for precrime, yet your name is definitely on that list. Curious.
@tobias @BowsacNoodle So you had a very rare ocurrence happening to you and now we have to reshape society completely to involve pre-crime, and not only pre-crime, but pre-crime with not even teenage boys? Are you retarded?
> “I haven’t seen this level of main character syndrome in years! Textbook narcissistic personality disorder with psychopathy and sociopathy levels I’d only read about! Right to pre-crime jail with this one!”
I think you guys are being needlessly hostile toward each other
Perhaps. It’s all in fun for me. I certainly threw the first jacket accusation, but the gross and abrasive hypothetical was unnecessary.
maybe, but it's also unnecessary to hit him with liberal objections to "pre-crime" because functioning states have had looney bins for all time. Everyone agreed it was for the best.
In the current year, pre crime would immediately wreck all of us for the crime of being straight White men who reject the corrupt system that wears what our ancestors built as a skin suit. My opposition appears liberal because of is/ought distinction.
"but what if the democrats did that"
is a 2000s argument. Welcome to the present. They're already doing it.
is a 2000s argument. Welcome to the present. They're already doing it.
I’d also like to point out that I advocated caning immediately after my opposition to precrime. That’s one of the most illiberal positions possible 😤
>needlessly
Saar, this is Fediverse, hostile is the necessary...
Saar, this is Fediverse, hostile is the necessary...
> precrime
> psychopaths are ovisous
I think your talking about different things
You could likely get rid of most serial killers if you executed 12 year olds who tortured animals; thats "pre-criming" the serial killing, but it is not getting rid of process.
3 strike laws and broken window policing have some effect.
> psychopaths are ovisous
I think your talking about different things
You could likely get rid of most serial killers if you executed 12 year olds who tortured animals; thats "pre-criming" the serial killing, but it is not getting rid of process.
3 strike laws and broken window policing have some effect.
Sociopathy cannot be diagnosed until the patient is legally an adult. Also, Sociopathic "symptoms' are things like "Parasitic lifestyle" "Lack of Empathy" "Glibness / superficial charm" "egocentricity" "pathological lying and deception" "promiscuity" "lack of sincerity" etc.
Can you please invent and implement nigger prevention hotline too while you're at it? That would be fucking great!
i always wondered about the black welfare ghettos in usa. why no "medicine" in the water supply?
> Reinventing water fluoridation
What's ironic about this whole pre-crime discussion is that the closest thing to actual true pre-crime to have existed in the real world, is the pogrom.
The judgement is in essence: Either you have committed a crime, or you assisted one of your co-ethnics in committing a crime, or sooner or later you will. So we are removing all of you.
But something tells me if this were to happen you would be quite upset about it.
What's ironic about this whole pre-crime discussion is that the closest thing to actual true pre-crime to have existed in the real world, is the pogrom.
The judgement is in essence: Either you have committed a crime, or you assisted one of your co-ethnics in committing a crime, or sooner or later you will. So we are removing all of you.
But something tells me if this were to happen you would be quite upset about it.
This is kike tricks play book, do you have white solutions?
There is no such thing as a 10-12 year old Psychopath.