The alt-fem to anti-rapist pipeline is real (AND HERE’S WHY THAT’S A GOOD THING)
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@Flick your thoughts
@BowsacNoodle I can see her point, but that way lies multi-generational family revenge killings and the like.
Yes it is not a Christian behavior, but neither is allowing gangs of rapists to go unchecked. Perhaps if she had castrated him instead. Kidding… unless?
the usual leftist fantasy fiction
But also a retvrn to tradition where rapists are punished would be good for society. Not post hoc consent revocation either, actual rape with actual severe punishment
I was just thinking about the fact that murder is carved out in the law as something uniquely bad, and is punished in a uniquely harsh way.
You can even amputate someone's arms and legs - a TERRIFYING outcome for them - but if they're still breathing a week later, that's not considered by the law to be as bad as murder (AFAIK).
I get that the mafia kills people because they want to quiet them so they won't leak information that they want kept secret. But if someone doesn't have private information and all you're trying to do is settle a score, it seems like people (at least organized crime, who thinks about this) would lean toward doing permanent damage but not killing, because the worst case if they're caught is lower...
You can even amputate someone's arms and legs - a TERRIFYING outcome for them - but if they're still breathing a week later, that's not considered by the law to be as bad as murder (AFAIK).
I get that the mafia kills people because they want to quiet them so they won't leak information that they want kept secret. But if someone doesn't have private information and all you're trying to do is settle a score, it seems like people (at least organized crime, who thinks about this) would lean toward doing permanent damage but not killing, because the worst case if they're caught is lower...
Dead men don’t talk.
Right indeed, but if they don't really have anything to talk about, it seems to me that a lot of things would be preferable to taking the risk of murder 1 charges. But I guess also a lot of this is just social momentum, organized crime kills people who cross it because ... that's what it's always done...
@cjd @BowsacNoodle @Flick you can kill them if you want, just hit them with a car and say it was an accident. Year or two tops
Well if you do that, you are 100% going to be implicated. People generally want to avoid being caught - at all.
But one fairly clever way of killing someone is to use poison them with a vaccine, because charging you with murder opens a can of worms about the safety of the vaccine.
But one fairly clever way of killing someone is to use poison them with a vaccine, because charging you with murder opens a can of worms about the safety of the vaccine.
most ppl here are simply wrong and my patience wears thin. prevention is better than cure. as they enter adolescence, lack of empathy is clearly discernible. watch them closely for a few years so that several people can be absolutely certain about the diagnosis.
psychopaths are obvious and must disappear at 10-12 years. quick dispatch is necessary because of danger to smaller children.
general narcs/antisocial/creepy should disappear at 14-16 years. before they get too big/strong. their parents getting older and less likely to make a replacement child.
@BowsacNoodle “An eye for an eye”….
I’m all for castrating rapists.
pre-crime is a dangerous concept. Specifically because a lot of “symptoms“ of antisocial personality disorders are explained away with other causes, especially at a young age with changing hormones. Caning offenders seems to work great, because it hurts so bad you can even do a shorter jail sentence and have very low recidivism with average people. At least in Singapore.
No stable legal system uses "pre-crime". It's occasionally tried in Asian shithole dictatorships, but local officials invariably use it to frame their political adversaries, because Corruption Is An Actual Thing You Can't Handwave Away.
It's already bad enough that you have government officials settling personal scores using the legal system as a hammer. Imagine what happens when you get rid of the requirement that there be some kind of convincing evidence that a crime has occurred. They'll just go nuts and chase down whoever they want.
This is also BTW why "eugenics" (government sterilizing those with weak genes) is a dead end. Any system that is not robust against corruption is NGMI.
This is also BTW why "eugenics" (government sterilizing those with weak genes) is a dead end. Any system that is not robust against corruption is NGMI.
ignorance is bliss. enjoy it while you can.
perhaps one day your toddler will be attacked by an 11 year old psychopath as mine was. hopefully you'll be just around the corner as i was.
your kid might emerge from the encounter merely shaken… or maimed… or worse. might be taken by the hand and led away to "get ice cream". maybe never seen again. maybe mutilated remains found on some wasteland.
anyway, have fun being nice and forgiving to psychopaths and trying to help them. i can't tell you how many dumbfucks i've seen doing that.
why do you involve the state?
We live in the real world, and your anarcho vigilantism would be crushed by a group of people collectively deciding as individuals to put you in a cage for being an antisocial goober
Because I just assumed that nobody would be dumb enough to consider combining pre-crime with vigilante justice at the same time.
That basically amounts to "I punch anyone I don't like the look of", jail was literally invented to contain people who do that.
That basically amounts to "I punch anyone I don't like the look of", jail was literally invented to contain people who do that.
You claim to support imprisonment of psychopaths for precrime, yet your name is definitely on that list. Curious.
>Minority Report but it’s just an angry goober punching 10 year old children who act too goofy on the playground
@tobias @BowsacNoodle So you had a very rare ocurrence happening to you and now we have to reshape society completely to involve pre-crime, and not only pre-crime, but pre-crime with not even teenage boys? Are you retarded?
Ah yes. Solving the problem of psychopathy by... murdering children when they are unruly...
Yea, vigilante justice does KIND OF work if the guy you're doing justice to is very obviously a horrible person, everybody 100% knows it, and the public justice system is doing absolutely nothing.
Pre-crime doesn't really work at all, but it seems like it might work if it was very institutionalized and the case was made against the people in a very convincing way - it still doesn't work, but for subtle reasons.
Combining the two is just being a violent psychopath that punishes whoever the voices tell him to.
Pre-crime doesn't really work at all, but it seems like it might work if it was very institutionalized and the case was made against the people in a very convincing way - it still doesn't work, but for subtle reasons.
Combining the two is just being a violent psychopath that punishes whoever the voices tell him to.
@MartianM00n @BowsacNoodle @cjd
when they're inhuman, it's not murder.
OH NO, HE JUST DID THE "THE GOYUM ARE NOT HUMAN" LINE
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nation states are only 300 years old and they are dying more often then "reproduced" (via colonialism); there will be collective violence but I doubt in 200 years it looks like a British/french-law democracy for the majority of the world
There several post-state actors already with isis and the cartels, and the commies gifted every 3rd world nation ak's; you will never again conquer these places with 12 British men with muskets looking at some caveman-like spearmen.
nation states are only 300 years old and they are dying more often then "reproduced" (via colonialism); there will be collective violence but I doubt in 200 years it looks like a British/french-law democracy for the majority of the world
There several post-state actors already with isis and the cartels, and the commies gifted every 3rd world nation ak's; you will never again conquer these places with 12 British men with muskets looking at some caveman-like spearmen.
> “I haven’t seen this level of main character syndrome in years! Textbook narcissistic personality disorder with psychopathy and sociopathy levels I’d only read about! Right to pre-crime jail with this one!”
Can you please invent and implement nigger prevention hotline too while you're at it? That would be fucking great!
>i drive a 3rd hand nissan with body damage, 2 color panels, tinted windows, loud exhaust and loud music. what do i look like?
we both know the answer to this, and yes there is some gray area but 9 times out of 10 if you were a cop and pulled over one of these vehicles you'd find guns and drugs
precrime is a silly idea, but profiling and logical use of policing isn't
plus people ignore that cops patrol the same places, they know the faces, they know what people are up to. shit if you ever did any of these behaviors you'd also see the patterns when people are doing criminal shit
we both know the answer to this, and yes there is some gray area but 9 times out of 10 if you were a cop and pulled over one of these vehicles you'd find guns and drugs
precrime is a silly idea, but profiling and logical use of policing isn't
plus people ignore that cops patrol the same places, they know the faces, they know what people are up to. shit if you ever did any of these behaviors you'd also see the patterns when people are doing criminal shit
> precrime
> psychopaths are ovisous
I think your talking about different things
You could likely get rid of most serial killers if you executed 12 year olds who tortured animals; thats "pre-criming" the serial killing, but it is not getting rid of process.
3 strike laws and broken window policing have some effect.
> psychopaths are ovisous
I think your talking about different things
You could likely get rid of most serial killers if you executed 12 year olds who tortured animals; thats "pre-criming" the serial killing, but it is not getting rid of process.
3 strike laws and broken window policing have some effect.
I would go so far as to say it's reasonable to expect everyone who wants to live / be in a certain place to carry liability insurance (or have enough assets to sue) in case they do criminal shit.
But none of these things are the same as actual pre-crime, because they can't really be used by a corrupt official to frame somebody for "criminal intent".
But none of these things are the same as actual pre-crime, because they can't really be used by a corrupt official to frame somebody for "criminal intent".
i always wondered about the black welfare ghettos in usa. why no "medicine" in the water supply?
I think you guys are being needlessly hostile toward each other
As much as I hate the concept of using insurance to mitigate antisocial behavior, it’s at least a solution to a lot of the unacknowledged problems in libertarian adjacent ideas. The likely results would be a social credit score mandated by a private company, but at least the rules would be more transparent.
This is kike tricks play book, do you have white solutions?
Yeah, fucking insurance companies.
Hence "or enough assets" because otherwise they're gonna make everyone pay 2k/month :(
Hence "or enough assets" because otherwise they're gonna make everyone pay 2k/month :(
Perhaps. It’s all in fun for me. I certainly threw the first jacket accusation, but the gross and abrasive hypothetical was unnecessary.
maybe, but it's also unnecessary to hit him with liberal objections to "pre-crime" because functioning states have had looney bins for all time. Everyone agreed it was for the best.
In the current year, pre crime would immediately wreck all of us for the crime of being straight White men who reject the corrupt system that wears what our ancestors built as a skin suit. My opposition appears liberal because of is/ought distinction.
>needlessly
Saar, this is Fediverse, hostile is the necessary...
Saar, this is Fediverse, hostile is the necessary...
“You must be above THIS WEALTHY to use the commons” is an interesting idea.
They already kind of do it with house prices.
But "assets that can be sued" makes it so it doesn't drain you out with a mortgage just to live in a safe neighborhood.
And insurance at least offers the possibility that "known to be a good person" MIGHT be substituted for "wealthy". If insurance would be deregulated so it's not all controlled by like 3 companies, that would probably go along way to fixing the fuckery in that business.
But "assets that can be sued" makes it so it doesn't drain you out with a mortgage just to live in a safe neighborhood.
And insurance at least offers the possibility that "known to be a good person" MIGHT be substituted for "wealthy". If insurance would be deregulated so it's not all controlled by like 3 companies, that would probably go along way to fixing the fuckery in that business.
"but what if the democrats did that"
is a 2000s argument. Welcome to the present. They're already doing it.
is a 2000s argument. Welcome to the present. They're already doing it.
I’d also like to point out that I advocated caning immediately after my opposition to precrime. That’s one of the most illiberal positions possible 😤
> Reinventing water fluoridation
What's ironic about this whole pre-crime discussion is that the closest thing to actual true pre-crime to have existed in the real world, is the pogrom.
The judgement is in essence: Either you have committed a crime, or you assisted one of your co-ethnics in committing a crime, or sooner or later you will. So we are removing all of you.
But something tells me if this were to happen you would be quite upset about it.
What's ironic about this whole pre-crime discussion is that the closest thing to actual true pre-crime to have existed in the real world, is the pogrom.
The judgement is in essence: Either you have committed a crime, or you assisted one of your co-ethnics in committing a crime, or sooner or later you will. So we are removing all of you.
But something tells me if this were to happen you would be quite upset about it.
Alex
>castrated
Research have shown that castration, both surgical and chemical, doesn't prevent re-offending.
The only real, 100% fool-proof way to prevent a criminal of any kind from re-offending, is death.
Research have shown that castration, both surgical and chemical, doesn't prevent re-offending.
The only real, 100% fool-proof way to prevent a criminal of any kind from re-offending, is death.
Sociopathy cannot be diagnosed until the patient is legally an adult. Also, Sociopathic "symptoms' are things like "Parasitic lifestyle" "Lack of Empathy" "Glibness / superficial charm" "egocentricity" "pathological lying and deception" "promiscuity" "lack of sincerity" etc.