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Yea and for someone like me, updating my instance is literally harder than shutting it down and switching to nostr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@phnt @benpate These censorship/moderation tools are likely a part of their mainstreaming strategy. They want big orgs, including governments, to host Mastodon instances. The same playbook is used by Matrix.

So I don't think it's a threat, just another brick in the wall separating Mastoverse and the rest of the network.

@phnt @benpate reducing the median # of users per instance has never been more important to the health of the fediverse. fortunately people keep developing more platform softwares at a rapid pace which is really encouraging in this regard.

@slowfallinward @tk @phnt @benpate imo, worst comes to worst, we disconnect from The Mastodon Network™ with their foundations and their teams and their product strategy advisors and their apparent inability to conceive of anything not done at "scale," and reverse proxy our shit thru front ends in countries who aren't a party to controlling how people choose to associate on their own self-hosted platforms.

if it gets real bad we will probably need to move beyond DNS.

@feld @phnt @benpate everything seems like something dansup would jump on but he doesn’t usually get stuff done

@silverpill @benpate I don't see this as a network threat, really. They could split the network tomorrow and I would barely notice or care.

The way I see this is similar to what the recent age verification legislations have the possibility to do to this network and hosting in general. More of a control and potential for future abuse threat. Because it will be used that way, eventually.

@feld @phnt @benpate It doesn't seem to be an issue in the Matrix ecosystem where people often self host web clients.

@mkljczk @feld @benpate "yo lain, what do you think of <insert thing you've never heard about>" coming to a #pleroma-dev@irc.libera.chat channel near you.

@silverpill @feld @benpate Because the way Matrix does it is kinda flawed and makes inserting malicious devices easy-ish. OMEMO is the second extreme they can go to.

This ActivityPub becoming a kitchen sink protocol is getting really weird. First it was trying to make C2S usable and now E2EE barely anybody asked for. When are we going to get emoji reactions standardized?

@k4t3 @benpate Thankfully the network is now diverse enough that you can just say no and disconnect from them. Arguably nothing of value would be lost. That said, the issue of it being legally mandated is still present. When and if that comes, overlay networks like Tor and I2P are the only option I guess. Besides slow packet radio.

@feld @phnt @benpate Fair point. I usually imagine a network of small instances where spying admins are not a problem, but Mastodon is a different world.

@phnt @feld @benpate Would you accept a FEP? https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep/src/branch/main/fep/c0e0/fep-c0e0.md

@silverpill @feld @benpate I do, but it unfortunately does not standardize much of anything. It documents what already exists.

I more meant an errata to AP that sets it in stone and only in one way, but considering what swicg is doing, it might be better this way.

@phnt @benpate this is a bullshit conspiracy theory because governments don't care if something is technically enforcable when they push law that hurts small internet communities

@phnt @benpate looks more like someone’s good at writing grant applications. i’d be all for some pleroma dev getting a portion of that €614k for an MRF that just fetches rules from remote API lol