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Phantasm

16h

@benpate So what they are building is actually a way to later enforce censorship of a decentralized network by state actors.
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RT: https://mastodon.social/users/benpate/statuses/116403046724832335

rick

@rick@a.n0id.space remote

15h

@phnt @benpate well the content scanning is at least opt in, but yeah

Phantasm

@phnt@fluffytail.org remote

15h

@rick @benpate Nothing stops a government from mandating it. After it is implemented, a government at any time can decide to ban hosting/usage of fedi instances (social media in general) without some automated scanning. After there is one or more approved services supporting it, they can fully mandate it and point to the Mastodon implementation as a requirement and reference implementation.

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Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

14h

They can, and I'm sure they want to and will try very hard. But there are a number of major problems which will emerge and will carry the whole project directly to hell.

1. There's a lot of countries out there, anyone can join any instance that's based anywhere. Smart countries will not enforce rules because they'd prefer to collect sigint, dumb countries will push all of their instances away...

2. Once you create a mechanism for censorship, everyone starts piling on to try to get Their Special Thing censored. If it's Germany, they're gonna have Israel breathing down their neck to add "Free Palestine" to the CSAM filter. This is going to create nuclear levels of butthurt in the canceldon/fediblock extreme left zone.

tl;dr invest in popcorn

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Phantasm

@phnt@fluffytail.org remote

14h

@cjd @rick @benpate It can easily be made into an EU-wide law. At that point usage of any fedi instance without a mandated automod can be made illegal and member states have no control over it after it inevitably passes, because Germany and France will love that.

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Phantasm

@phnt@fluffytail.org remote

14h

@cjd @benpate @rick Technically even Pleroma's MRF system can be abused like that, but Mastodon is way bigger and the way they wanna achieve this creates more centralization than MRFs do. They are basically digging a hole without understanding the repercussions of digging it.

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Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

14h

Yea and for someone like me, updating my instance is literally harder than shutting it down and switching to nostr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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✙ dcc

@dcc@annihilation.social remote

@cjd @rick @phnt @benpate >switching to nostr
Its dead jim...

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Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer

@r000t@ligma.pro remote

13h

@phnt
It's my experience that canceldon people are the type to cite the law chapter and verse to anybody they don't like, but say ACAB the moment there's a law they don't want to be compliant with.

Ultimately they'll skate because they're all relatively small sites. Maybe a dozen hueg instances will get enforcement action but they aren't gonna chase down every 10 user "uwu tee hee kill people I disagree with" glitchsoc server
@rick @benpate @cjd

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Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer

@r000t@ligma.pro remote

13h

@phnt
For example, they love citing GDPR to American instances that have a copy of their public statuses that they posted publicly to public timelines, but I'll bet money that those same people will refuse to implement any sort of age verification mandated by the EU
@rick @benpate @cjd

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Phantasm

@phnt@fluffytail.org remote

13h

@r000t @rick @benpate @cjd It does not matter that they won't go after everyone. Just the possibility of doing so is already a problem, it shouldn't be possible at all.

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Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

13h

> Maybe a dozen hueg instances will get enforcement action

And some of them are gonna go to the cross on that - which is gonna create insane amounts of drama with their largely-mentally-unstable userbases... I don't think the EU has what it takes to face off that amount of heat.

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Pawlicker

@sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party remote

@r000t @phnt @rick @benpate @cjd "they aren't gonna chase down every 10 user "uwu tee hee kill people I disagree with" glitchsoc server"

No they'll send the email to the wrong instance after your dumb post about Charlie Kirk or ICE agents federates to them. Bluesky users have recently been getting clapped or subponead after the extreme amount of fedposting that goes on there and that site is notoriously moderation lax.
https://archive.fo/q5NWk

https://www.reddit.com/r/BlueskySocial/comments/1s7qsr2/what_is_this_and_am_i_in_trouble_got_an_email/

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Nietzschean Ekko Enjoyer

@r000t@ligma.pro remote

@sendpaws
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