Egregoros

@sathariel thats a pretty simplistic rendering of jesuss mission he didnt just have firm faith in God in the face of suffering he actively wanted others to take up their own cross and suffer with him, abandoning all worldly ties for the highest dharma of love of God and eachother. and his suffering was a suffering that freed others from the bondage of their sin by their bhakti in him as an avatara. a lot of historic Christian mystical thought involving ecstatic states involves focusing on christs passion and sharing in it with him. again, devoting your suffering to God is an ultimate act of submitting to the will of God. its not masochism.

@georgia @sathariel people and their neighbors with means and love for each other is what has led to liberation in the real world, quiet literally humans lead to their own liberation.

great example of this is the gospels themselves "father why have you forsaken me" its like a deep spiritual mystery with the belief of christianity, but if you look at the stories, the people who dont forsake him are his friends and his neighbors, that take down his body and give him a loving burial and all the magic resurrection shit seems to be added on years later by most textual analysis as well

@technolyze @sathariel honestly in your last post it seemed like your ideology was entirely based on jesus saying father why have you forsaken me and "take this cup from me" and now it seems like it really is based on that. jesus preached that the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart so that really can't be reconciled with your assertion. highest dharma isnt to love one another because others have your back when God doesnt (which is in an inversion, God has your back when others dont and many of jesuss neighbors were cruel to him) its to love all beings with an even eye, seeing God in them and them in God. also the resurrection was a very early christian belief and I'd argue if it had not happened christianity wouldnt have taken off so much as a successful sect in light of it challenging judaism in so many ways. the first ending of mark has the women find the tomb empty. everything in mark after 16 verse 8 is added sure.

@technolyze @sathariel lmao how could I be radicalized by trads if I never was in their echochamber? the only christians ive ever interacted with seriously are catholic or non-white. I'd argue that your exposure to a predominantly evangelical form of christianity has predisposed you to seeing "christofascists" everywhere. you seem to think that belief in the life of an incarnation or avatara is the stuff of religious extremism, am I an extremist for believing that krishna really did kill demons and dance with the gopis? if you want to know my beliefs ask my beliefs because prots would consider me an idolator, dont troll me to determine my beliefs. its beneath you.

@georgia @sathariel @technolyze i feel like georgia is in all her religous journey posts is nice towards other people, without enforcing her beliefs or thoughts onto them. im not religious, but still like being a passive reader every now and than and dont think there is anything wrong. if it helps her, great!

btw terms like catholic or evangelic in combination with politics can be very different depending on the area of the world u live in. where i currently live the catholic church is considered more conservative and right wing. but i am aware it is different elsewhere.

@georgia @sathariel my beliefs are rather symbolic and connected to the real world, the only esoteric aspect of my belief is that "egregores have power outside their believers and that peoples thoughts effect the collective subconscious. "

but really my beliefs boil down to something directly observable in the real world, we value imaginary gods we've given ultimate power in our heads more than our fellow man/womans health and safety - if we realized we are the most holy thing to each other i dont think we would do that.

when i say "man is god" it can be explained in a very simple sense, we create the gods, we make the egregores, we give birth, die and carry on culture

@technolyze @sathariel you call out religious fascism and fanaticism everywhere except when muslim supremacists practice it. when the houthis say curse upon the jews, you defended them. i have called out israel for their genocide of a mostly muslim people in gaza. bangladeshi muslims once committed a genocide against hindus, and yet you act as if somehow hindus are more obligated to follow your law of secular humanism than the rest of the indian subcontinent. I dont support BJP or most forms of nationalism. in my eyes nationalism is only a stepping stone to statehood for the stateless. I think that pride in ones ethnicity turns one against God. but tell me this: why is wanting india to be governed by hindu dharma (I dont believe in the dharma shastras btw, they were always a tool of the brahmin elite but I'll use this term) "fascism" but wanting yemen governed by a certain strain of sharia is an acceptable and understandable response to jewish imperialism? dont you see that hindu, Jain, and later Sikh india was once subject to Islamic imperialism as well?

@georgia @sathariel
>except when muslim supremacists practice it.
no, i believe the past message you are referencing is me saying "random demonization of islam statements is the easy way to get out of acknowledging a genocide is actually happening."
>why is wanting india to be governed by hindu dharma (I dont believe in the dharma shastras btw, they were always a tool of the brahmin elite but I'll use this term) "fascism" but wanting yemen governed by a certain strain of sharia is an acceptable and understandable response to jewish imperialism? dont you see that hindu, Jain, and later Sikh india was once subject to Islamic imperialism as well?
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