speaking of blood jesus doesnt save by some magical property blood has to save lest humans attempt to have their sins expiated by shedding their own blood or heaven forbid the blood of another being. imo he saves by the willingness of God to be gracious onto those who understand their own predicament and Gods unique position to deliver them by suffering in their stead.
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@georgia bullshit. What do you want to expiate? Just a cheap excuse to justify masochists. If you tell me the meaning of that was to show how someone who has gone through purification confront fear and suffering, how they face death without attachment to one's own life I'd understand.
@sathariel sorry what? saying suffering expiates is just basic karma theory, and theres nothing masochistic about devoting ones suffering to God (sattvic and beyond the gunas). it is the opposite of masochism (tamasic). jesus laid down his life for his friends and his mission yes but what was his mission and who were his friends?
@georgia @sathariel i feel like if you read the new testament gospels in a different way untainted by 1000s of years of cultural shaping and religion its actually telling you its all bullshit, the blood atonement, the worry of sin, the attempting to please god, its all a load of shit and really you should just care for your neighbor.
@technolyze @sathariel thats just secular humanism though. secular humanism has never led to liberation, if you want that become a mahayana buddhist.
@georgia @sathariel people and their neighbors with means and love for each other is what has led to liberation in the real world, quiet literally humans lead to their own liberation.
great example of this is the gospels themselves "father why have you forsaken me" its like a deep spiritual mystery with the belief of christianity, but if you look at the stories, the people who dont forsake him are his friends and his neighbors, that take down his body and give him a loving burial and all the magic resurrection shit seems to be added on years later by most textual analysis as well
great example of this is the gospels themselves "father why have you forsaken me" its like a deep spiritual mystery with the belief of christianity, but if you look at the stories, the people who dont forsake him are his friends and his neighbors, that take down his body and give him a loving burial and all the magic resurrection shit seems to be added on years later by most textual analysis as well
@technolyze @sathariel honestly in your last post it seemed like your ideology was entirely based on jesus saying father why have you forsaken me and "take this cup from me" and now it seems like it really is based on that. jesus preached that the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart so that really can't be reconciled with your assertion. highest dharma isnt to love one another because others have your back when God doesnt (which is in an inversion, God has your back when others dont and many of jesuss neighbors were cruel to him) its to love all beings with an even eye, seeing God in them and them in God. also the resurrection was a very early christian belief and I'd argue if it had not happened christianity wouldnt have taken off so much as a successful sect in light of it challenging judaism in so many ways. the first ending of mark has the women find the tomb empty. everything in mark after 16 verse 8 is added sure.
@georgia @sathariel i think you have been slowly brainwashed by an evangelical/trad/far-right echo chamber from your average agnostic crystal enjoyer into this, im really just throwing random things at the wall to see how far you go to bat for christianity. I see you are at the "jesus for sure really resurrected cause the religion designed to de-radicalize jews took off"
@technolyze @sathariel lmao how could I be radicalized by trads if I never was in their echochamber? the only christians ive ever interacted with seriously are catholic or non-white. I'd argue that your exposure to a predominantly evangelical form of christianity has predisposed you to seeing "christofascists" everywhere. you seem to think that belief in the life of an incarnation or avatara is the stuff of religious extremism, am I an extremist for believing that krishna really did kill demons and dance with the gopis? if you want to know my beliefs ask my beliefs because prots would consider me an idolator, dont troll me to determine my beliefs. its beneath you.
@georgia @sathariel im on the same side of fedi, i see the post floating around. Sure im a crypto racist rich white cracker jew living in the norhteast.
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>an extremist for believing that krishna really did kill demons and dance with the gopis?
yes you are a mentally unwell religious fundamentalist with a touch of crystal girl stuff, next you will be talking about receiving secret news about government programs to fight demons via light language
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>an extremist for believing that krishna really did kill demons and dance with the gopis?
yes you are a mentally unwell religious fundamentalist with a touch of crystal girl stuff, next you will be talking about receiving secret news about government programs to fight demons via light language
@technolyze @sathariel okay I guess every believer who is more than a dabbler is a fundamentalist now, even those who believe multiple religions are revealed or people who dont believe in scriptural infallibility like me. you can criticize me for liking tarot cards but I havent been agnostic in years, and my religion when I was agnostic was a toxic amalgamate of chaomagick and thelema and the most arrogant sort of advaita vedanta. just go back to telling me to kill myself.
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The only possible explanation for someone believing things I don't believe in is mental illness.
The only possible explanation for someone believing things I don't believe in is mental illness.
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