speaking of blood jesus doesnt save by some magical property blood has to save lest humans attempt to have their sins expiated by shedding their own blood or heaven forbid the blood of another being. imo he saves by the willingness of God to be gracious onto those who understand their own predicament and Gods unique position to deliver them by suffering in their stead.
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@georgia bullshit. What do you want to expiate? Just a cheap excuse to justify masochists. If you tell me the meaning of that was to show how someone who has gone through purification confront fear and suffering, how they face death without attachment to one's own life I'd understand.
@sathariel sorry what? saying suffering expiates is just basic karma theory, and theres nothing masochistic about devoting ones suffering to God (sattvic and beyond the gunas). it is the opposite of masochism (tamasic). jesus laid down his life for his friends and his mission yes but what was his mission and who were his friends?
@georgia have you proven that theory or have you just read about it and mixed it with more philosophical terms?
@georgia I'm just saying that someone as purified as Jesus was would face that situation like he did, even through his own fear and even through his suffering he stayed still in God. Anything about expiation whatever is added by closet masochists.
@sathariel thats a pretty simplistic rendering of jesuss mission he didnt just have firm faith in God in the face of suffering he actively wanted others to take up their own cross and suffer with him, abandoning all worldly ties for the highest dharma of love of God and eachother. and his suffering was a suffering that freed others from the bondage of their sin by their bhakti in him as an avatara. a lot of historic Christian mystical thought involving ecstatic states involves focusing on christs passion and sharing in it with him. again, devoting your suffering to God is an ultimate act of submitting to the will of God. its not masochism.
@georgia and this is what I call bullshit. Few good things come from this and so much deception. But I'm happy you consider my post simplistic.
@sathariel why are you so mad about this is the question
@georgia I'm not mad, I'm tired of read and hear this bullshit. This slows down the spiritual advance of many persons.
@sathariel sole fide is toxic I agree but any belief that advocates for a devotion to God including devotion to God in the bhava as savior is one that leads to final beatitude. "God suffered for you out of pure love so love and believe in Him", I see nothing but love of God in this.
@georgia would you think I'm mad with you if I reply honestly? I swear I'm not.
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@georgia I regret it, I truly like you. Keep walking your own way, I won't interfere.
@sathariel you seem to think that I think everyone needs to believe in jesus or theyll go to hell for ever because jesus saves. I dont believe that I believe that all beings will return to God one day and that there are many paths to do it and that yeshua bhakti in the bhava of God as savior is one of them
@georgia >all beings will return to God one day and that there are many paths to do it and that yeshua bhakti in the bhava of God as savior is one of them
I agree, but it's a path that hardly someone can take and get anything from it
I agree, but it's a path that hardly someone can take and get anything from it
@sathariel some notable saints have done it actually