the average person is a literal sex addict tbh. they genuinely suffer if they dont get their fix
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@georgia it's almost like it's something we have to do to continue existing
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@snacks reproducing and gooning are very different and its very possible to exist without sex
@georgia > its very possible to exist without sex
Ig if you're jesus
Ig if you're jesus
@snacks lots of people have been celibate
@georgia you literally can't exist without sex
@snacks and yet I do exist without sex
@georgia biologically speaking reproduction is just part of your lifecycle. You literally die if you don't do it
@snacks you dont "literally die" thats incredibly hyperbolic. sex and survival are two distinct instincts.
@georgia so you've met pepple who don't age?
@snacks I know your motive is rooted in defending gooner behavior but you sound like an unhinged natalist evopsycher right now. lots of people live happy full lives without sex.
@georgia can i meet these people who where born to virgin mothers or just popped into existence?
@snacks your reasoning is fallacious. just because sex creates life doesnt mean one must live for sex and base their life around it.
@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t and people die as martyrs, soldiers, or to protect loved ones despite the fact that not diying is an important part of live. There's a bunch of shit in us dedicated to making us wanna reproduce, it's just more or less strong and as you've said, an important part of being human is to not just act on every instinct. Yet there's still murderers, rapists, some are so fat it kills them, others starve themselves to death, some will engage in insanely reckless behaviour just to get a thrill
@lizzie @snacks @rowb1t exactly, a human being is above other animals in that we aren't a slave to every instinct. we can and should transcend the world of the senses. and in addition to that, I'd argue that the gooner is an unnatural product of ubiquitous pornography, not someone who is merely following instinct.
@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t the result of transcending the senses is conscious existence being cleansed. pratyahara is just a step to samadhi. anyway, believing in yoga or the perennial philosophy is not necessary for believing that hedonism is not a good way to live.
@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t I wasn't talking about hedonism, I was talking about the disadvantages of repression that were the source to create the conditions to the gooner porn addiction and other similar expressions. Think about the sages that realized that sex energy is something we have and it's powerful and beautiful, that is just different in manifestation than others form of energy, and that can be used instead of wasting it.
@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t sex in left hand path tantra or in daoist sexual alchemy is controlled. porn and sex addiction and most masturbation is not controlled. I also think that the belief that pornography is fueled by sexual repression is a libertine take. if that were true sex addiction would be more common in conservative societies, not liberal ones.
@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t yeah cause catholic priests don't rape child, cause conservative politics don't masturbate to trans porn, cause our societies aren't results of centuries of imposed repressive education. I'm not arguing against control (when well understood the meaning of control), I'm arguing against repression.
@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t you make a good point re homosexual males becoming presets and conservative politicians. the bacha bazi are similarly an extreme effect of gender apartheid. most priests watch porn ive heard as well. but regardless, I believe sex and porn addiction is more common in sexually "liberated" (lol) societies. I might be wrong though.
@georgia @sathariel @lizzie @rowb1t you have easier access to it in a sexually liberated society but you will also face less issues when being open about i'd assume it happens more but it's also definetly more visible
@sathariel @georgia @snacks @rowb1t tbh “catholic priests rape children bc theyre celibate” is a terrible example. the southern baptist convention also has a lot of pastors raping children and their pastors are highly encouraged to be (and almost always are) in sexually active marriages. it has more to deal with the kind of authority they wield over their communities than “repression”
@lizzie @sathariel @snacks @rowb1t oh I didnt know that. with politicians it can also be considered to be abuse of authority, or self hatred rather than societal repression
@georgia @sathariel @snacks @rowb1t i was literally living at a southern baptist church when the news broke that the executives were actively protecting the pastors who did that from the law
@georgia @rowb1t @sathariel @snacks the convention still playing games abt it and trying to cover it up btw