Egregoros

@georgia it's almost like it's something we have to do to continue existing

@snacks reproducing and gooning are very different and its very possible to exist without sex

@georgia > its very possible to exist without sex
Ig if you're jesus

@snacks lots of people have been celibate

@georgia biologically speaking reproduction is just part of your lifecycle. You literally die if you don't do it

@snacks @georgia you also die if you do it

@georgia you literally can't exist without sex

@lizzie @georgia biologically speaking, not really

@snacks @georgia its possible but its like, misdirected sometimes i think. idealizing lack of sex as well as idealizing excess of sex are both bad in my opinion. it's part of human nature and you have to integrate it into your life while being comfortable with it. or not, which is better than going excess about it in my opinion

@snacks @georgia you can quite easily exist without being the one to have it

@snacks you dont "literally die" thats incredibly hyperbolic. sex and survival are two distinct instincts.

@snacks and yet I do exist without sex

@georgia so you've met pepple who don't age?

@snacks @georgia i feel like youre conflating the species with the individual members. lots of species have lots of non-reproductive members. lots of people have been celibate

@snacks I know your motive is rooted in defending gooner behavior but you sound like an unhinged natalist evopsycher right now. lots of people live happy full lives without sex.

@lizzie @georgia your child is literally a cell of yours. If that's not you surviving then you die hundreds of times every day
I am arguing purely biologogically, trying to explain why sex drive is so strong usually

@georgia can i meet these people who where born to virgin mothers or just popped into existence?

@snacks @lizzie I already reincarnate I dont need to live vicariously through biological children

@snacks your reasoning is fallacious. just because sex creates life doesnt mean one must live for sex and base their life around it.

@snacks @georgia your child has a different genome from you. different thoughts. different tastes and words and loves. you will die. im not particularly concerned with living on in biology anyway. “waiter waiter more samsara please” whatever dude

@snacks @lizzie @georgia this is one of the most braindead pseud takes on evolution and reproduction i've ever read. you can jerk off all you want, no one is stopping you. no need to come up with some post-hoc "scientific" rationalization for it.

@lizzie @snacks one uniquely lives on through biological children in such a superficial way. your genes aren't even yours, theyre your grandparents. I'd rather live on through a legacy of being kind to all kinds of people. it is better to adopt.

@rowb1t @lizzie @georgia i have no idea why you all need to pretend there isnct a reason for sex drive

@rowb1t @georgia @lizzie ig you're either a eunuch or a gooner, no inbetween

@snacks @lizzie @rowb1t youre kind of being an asshole now

@snacks @rowb1t @lizzie there is an instinctual reason for sex, that doesnt mean one literally can't live without it or that to be celibate is to die.

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t st augustine approved take

@snacks @lizzie @georgia there is a reason for the sex drive, but you've clearly demonstrated you have no understanding of it or the evolutionary concept of "fitness."

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t nobody has claimed sex drive doesnt tend to perpetuate itself. the question has been “must it rule over a human who can think and make decisions”

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t nobody has claimed sex drive doesnt tend to perpetuate itself. the question has been “must it rule over a human who can think and make decisions”

@rowb1t @lizzie @georgia what happens to a species that ceases to reproduce?

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t one may choose to indulge it. one may choose to forgo it. in any case let it be by their own intention and not just shrugging and blaming their decisions on some inevitability of biology

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t i am not the whole species and neither are you

@lizzie @snacks @rowb1t exactly, a human being is above other animals in that we aren't a slave to every instinct. we can and should transcend the world of the senses. and in addition to that, I'd argue that the gooner is an unnatural product of ubiquitous pornography, not someone who is merely following instinct.

@lizzie @georgia @rowb1t@social.xenofem.methere theee was no question in the op, i was merely trying to explain why most animals experience a strong sex drive

@snacks @lizzie @georgia not all members of a population need to reproduce, particularly in a social species. in fact it is advantageous to have individuals in a population that do not reproduce.

@snacks @georgia there is a difference between experiencing a drive and being an addict like georgia said

@lizzie @georgia have you seen a male dog when he gets close to a female one in heat? Even among other social animals those "addicts" are tame.
I don't really understand this situation. It feels like you all are trying to explain to me the people mentioned in the op can't exist now

@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t while I totally agree with the last statement, the rest of the post is bullshit pseudo religion. We don't have to transcend anything, we need to cleanse and integrate the most layers of conscience on our experience.

@lizzie @georgia i never even tried to say if it's good or bad, just to give an explanation for why it happens

@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t the result of transcending the senses is conscious existence being cleansed. pratyahara is just a step to samadhi. anyway, believing in yoga or the perennial philosophy is not necessary for believing that hedonism is not a good way to live.

@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t i'm getting called a gooner for explaining the bees and the flowers, i'm allowed to get reductionist too

@snacks @lizzie @rowb1t youre not just explaining how sex works you are taking the role of sex in the species as a whole and totalizing it onto every individual even though as row said it is beneficial for many people not to reproduce.

@snacks @georgia @lizzie @rowb1t
ITT moid explaining male sex drive

@snacks @georgia @lizzie @rowb1t
just clean your pipe once a week for your health man
A lava lamp would probably suffice as inspiration by then no need for pornography

@georgia @lizzie @rowb1t and so it's really weird that humans generally have a sex drive or what?

@snacks @lizzie @rowb1t having a sex drive is one thing, being literally unable to go without even if you desire to go without is addiction. but a healthy minority of people are willing and able to be totally celibate.

@snacks @georgia @rowb1t it is weird that people broadly engage with it that thoughtlessly yeah

@georgia @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t I wasn't talking about hedonism, I was talking about the disadvantages of repression that were the source to create the conditions to the gooner porn addiction and other similar expressions. Think about the sages that realized that sex energy is something we have and it's powerful and beautiful, that is just different in manifestation than others form of energy, and that can be used instead of wasting it.

@sathariel @lizzie @snacks @rowb1t sex in left hand path tantra or in daoist sexual alchemy is controlled. porn and sex addiction and most masturbation is not controlled. I also think that the belief that pornography is fueled by sexual repression is a libertine take. if that were true sex addiction would be more common in conservative societies, not liberal ones.