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Phantasm

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Once you deal with taking care of computers for normies, all the BS Microsoft does to force down updates on users makes instantly sense.

Automatic updates? No brainer, otherwise they will never install them.
A limit on how far you can delay installing updates? Again, they will never get installed if you can just say "ask me later" all the time.
Removal of Shutdown/Reboot without installing updates? They will never be applied even when they are scheduled to install.
Phantasm

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The only solution is to give a "power user" option for administrators on clean install that disables all the crap for people that know how to use computers. It must not be changed after install, or user account creation since they will do that once rumors of the mythical power user mode come to light. Or allow a "power user" administrator to change it afterwards for other users.

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Tangent: To my knowledge Linux DEs not supporting the whole "administrator with root privileges is another user" that Windows has is a large mistake. If I install Mint for someone that just opens a browser once a week and enable automatic updates for them, they shouldn't be allowed privilege escalation rights, but instead a separate "admin" user (me) should have those (with a different user password of course).

If you want to make the year of the Linux desktop happen by letting normies use it, at least make the experience for the people administering those machines simple and not allow users to shoot themselves in the feet. Polkit in DEs is basically useless by not supporting this. It might as well not exist unlike UAC which is great.
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@VD15@pl.valkyrie.world remote
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@phnt One must accept that the simplest answer to the normie question is to simply kill them. You can dumb things down for them all you want, but all the handcuffs and guardrails in the world shall not save them from their own incompetence. For they will always make a bigger idiot, with bigger feet with which to shoot himself.

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