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Phantasm

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Once you deal with taking care of computers for normies, all the BS Microsoft does to force down updates on users makes instantly sense.

Automatic updates? No brainer, otherwise they will never install them.
A limit on how far you can delay installing updates? Again, they will never get installed if you can just say "ask me later" all the time.
Removal of Shutdown/Reboot without installing updates? They will never be applied even when they are scheduled to install.
Phantasm

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The only solution is to give a "power user" option for administrators on clean install that disables all the crap for people that know how to use computers. It must not be changed after install, or user account creation since they will do that once rumors of the mythical power user mode come to light. Or allow a "power user" administrator to change it afterwards for other users.

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Tangent: To my knowledge Linux DEs not supporting the whole "administrator with root privileges is another user" that Windows has is a large mistake. If I install Mint for someone that just opens a browser once a week and enable automatic updates for them, they shouldn't be allowed privilege escalation rights, but instead a separate "admin" user (me) should have those (with a different user password of course).

If you want to make the year of the Linux desktop happen by letting normies use it, at least make the experience for the people administering those machines simple and not allow users to shoot themselves in the feet. Polkit in DEs is basically useless by not supporting this. It might as well not exist unlike UAC which is great.
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@phnt One must accept that the simplest answer to the normie question is to simply kill them. You can dumb things down for them all you want, but all the handcuffs and guardrails in the world shall not save them from their own incompetence. For they will always make a bigger idiot, with bigger feet with which to shoot himself.

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>And I don't mean replacing one WM with another, but more like adding quality of life features.

Aqua or whatever the compositor is called is quite customizable. But a lot of things you take for granted is missing and in 3rd party software. Things like window snapping was added to macOS only last year. But that is probably one of the few features that was missing.
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@newt @VD15 All hardware sucks now. My Leninovo laptop's keyboard died 2 months out of warranty while being barely used, Leninovo no longer sold the OEM replacements at that time (not even 3 years after the model released). Desktops, sure. But laptops all suck now. Same with phones where you can get fisted by Google trying to kill F-Droid, buy an expensive flagship that serves you ads and spies on you, or you buy a cheap chinese phone that does that same. All the laptop and phone options mostly suck.
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:newt: Zanzibart, forgive me...

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@phnt @VD15 not talking about repairs or maintenance. Look, if I can't play vidya on a computer that I own because the vendor doesn't allow plugging third-party GPUs without pulling my asshole to shreads goatse-style and bending over backwards, then I don't want to deal with it. The extensibility of Apple hardware is non-existent even for the desktop options. There's no real reason for this other than Apple trying to squeeze the maximum amount of dollars from its users.
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:newt: Zanzibart, forgive me...

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@phnt @VD15 on the purely software side, it's also not as bright. I can't just plug three fat HDDs into my Mac via some Thunderbolt enclosure, make a RAID, offload more rarely used data to it, and call it a day. Anything like this requires a full-fat NAS or DAS, because Apple and filesystems aren't friends. ZFS port for macOS exists but I wouldn't trust it with the Donald Trump's dickpic collection, much less my own data.

Basically, you're not allowed to extend your computer in any way except connecting it to other computers. This just sucks.
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