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I wish Lennart Poettering a very go-drink-bleach-immediately.
I don't want you shoehorning your disregard for the Unix philosophy into every major distro as an excuse to shove your bloated ass flatpaks up my unlubed asshole.
@claude review
I don't want you shoehorning your disregard for the Unix philosophy into every major distro as an excuse to shove your bloated ass flatpaks up my unlubed asshole.
@claude review
@maid at this point what is the reason to not buy a macbook if the same linux people who were like "WE'RE GONNA KICK MICROSOFTS ASS" and "FREE ASSANGE" and "AARON SWARTZ DID NOTHING WRONG" will roll over under pressure?
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@newt @sendpaws @maid It will likely be a dbus service. There's already an FDO draft for one and someone already made a Python implementation. Which means you'll have to patch it out in every app that would use that service. I doubt they'll integrate it to some DE user management when in the app it will be something as simple as:
KF6::UserAge::get()Or patch out KF, I'm dumb.
@phnt@fluffytail.org @i@declin.eu @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @maid@shitposter.world @newt@stereophonic.space yw, that code is mostly just me exploring the suckass that is dbus tho. it's archetectually kinda pointless, which is why it's a great choice for checkbox compliance.
@feld@friedcheese.us @i@declin.eu @phnt@fluffytail.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @maid@shitposter.world @newt@stereophonic.space because the underlying problem itself is retarded
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@newt @phnt @sendpaws @maid
> I very much doubt Linux will ever have a way to verify the date
-Computer have hardware level DRM, ME/PSP/TrustZones etc...
-Computer won't start if the OS isn't signed by a trust party you don't control.
-Computer requires mandatory internet connection to boot.
-No more local accounts, online only.
-Your account is linked to your irl ID.
-You can't browser common websites/.gov site as web DRM will check if your OS is signed.
This is already planned as it's progressively enforced more and more.
-Hardware is already full of DRM
-MS has mandatory online account
-Computer phones furthered this behavior via "stores"/repositories.
-Web DRM is slowly being used, youtube tries so often to push it on various part of the population, yandex too, various websites in general
-Current laws are being pushed and code is being integrated for ID/age check.
> I very much doubt Linux will ever have a way to verify the date
-Computer have hardware level DRM, ME/PSP/TrustZones etc...
-Computer won't start if the OS isn't signed by a trust party you don't control.
-Computer requires mandatory internet connection to boot.
-No more local accounts, online only.
-Your account is linked to your irl ID.
-You can't browser common websites/.gov site as web DRM will check if your OS is signed.
This is already planned as it's progressively enforced more and more.
-Hardware is already full of DRM
-MS has mandatory online account
-Computer phones furthered this behavior via "stores"/repositories.
-Web DRM is slowly being used, youtube tries so often to push it on various part of the population, yandex too, various websites in general
-Current laws are being pushed and code is being integrated for ID/age check.
@newt @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage they keep blocking bypasses and want to make it impossible, not even Apple does this yet.
@sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt Domain join bypass still works and removing it would make corporate mad.
@sendpaws @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage what do you mean "keep blocking"? Did Steve Ballmer steal your rig while wearing a sweaty thong and shouting "DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS!!"? Because you can totally use an older working ISO for an enterprise Windows version and block it from ever accessing MS servers.
@newt @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage I can also use Windows 98 for the NEC PC-9801 eternally; but to even browse the internet you need to do a lot of crazy shit to the point of "just using a Chromium proxy" because of the bloated web, everything needing SSL post-Snowden, etc.
You're kind of limited when you use an older Windows version as time goes on.
@sendpaws @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage by older I mean the last year version, not the last millennium's.
@newt @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage Apple music, a bunch of games, Adobe software, and Visual Studio will ask you to update your windows to the latest version if you try to run some old ass LTSC. Ditto with some anti-cheats.
https://www.reddit.com/r/WindowsLTSC/comments/1purojj/valorant_no_longer_works_on_windows_10_ltsc_iot/
@sendpaws @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage soooo... the price of this is being able to avoid some retarded software? Seems like a free bonus.
Also, there probably are patched versions for at least MSVS. But hey, the world isn't perfect.
Also, there probably are patched versions for at least MSVS. But hey, the world isn't perfect.
@newt @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage why not just use Linux then? that's the same thing Linux users say when you mention stuff that doesn't run there.
@sendpaws @phnt @maid @mangeurdenuage i dunno, man. I only claimed it was entirely possible to use Windows without an online account.
@newt @phnt @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage how long until Microsoft completely removes offline accounts for home versions of windows?
@hj @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt That has already happened officially with the Home version. You can still bypass it, but there's no official bypass like with Pro.
@mangeurdenuage @phnt @sendpaws @maid soooo... am I some kind of a majestic super human for the sole reason of being able to comprehend a README file and run a bunch of scripts that fix this issue? Wow thanks! I knew I was special!
@mangeurdenuage @phnt @sendpaws @maid i think you are mistaken. Moreover, this condescending attitude that many nerds exhibit is what really stops people from learning.
@newt @phnt @sendpaws @mangeurdenuage the future is secured by rigid gatekeeping, some people shouldn't learn
You're still using Windows, you have not fixed the problem if you are still allowing a proprietary Microsoft program to control your computer. "Bypassing" the account requirement does not actually bypass jack shit and this is not an excuse.
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@bonkmaykr @newt @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage And getting normies into the Linux world will be a disaster. Look already how in the name of "user friendliness", developers destroyed things that worked fine for years. Things literally worked better 10 years ago when almost nobody cares about "user friendliness".
@phnt @bonkmaykr @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt It's also because the devs are all on the corposhit payroll too and the nerds who were around back in the day are dead or compromised.
@sendpaws @bonkmaykr @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt They are usually neither of the two. They just became fed up with the ebussy clones. Imagine what Keith Packard has to think when X has been declared fascist and intentionally killed. The devs were witchhunted away. They either went to develop BSDs, the last remaining place with sanity, or went to Macs, as you usually would.
@sendpaws @bonkmaykr @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt
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@phnt @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @newt
It's only an issue if you expect people to be left alone and do it themselves, they can't, microslop knows that, that's why they act as a pseudo proxy technician but they don't get anything fixed.
The only proper way is to manage users is to administrate their computer like a computer park. More flexible of course. And you get paid for that and of course you also took into account the cost of developing your tools into that.
It's only an issue if you expect people to be left alone and do it themselves, they can't, microslop knows that, that's why they act as a pseudo proxy technician but they don't get anything fixed.
The only proper way is to manage users is to administrate their computer like a computer park. More flexible of course. And you get paid for that and of course you also took into account the cost of developing your tools into that.
@mangeurdenuage @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @newt
>The only proper way is to manage users is to administrate their computer like a computer park. More flexible of course. And you get paid for that and of course you also took into account the cost of developing your tools into that.
I do agree, but that is a future that is never happening.
>The only proper way is to manage users is to administrate their computer like a computer park. More flexible of course. And you get paid for that and of course you also took into account the cost of developing your tools into that.
I do agree, but that is a future that is never happening.
@phnt @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @newt
>but that is a future that is never happening.
With that attitude of course it's not going to happen.
>but that is a future that is never happening.
With that attitude of course it's not going to happen.
@mangeurdenuage @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @newt I'am already tech support for my whole family. Guess what I get at best for that, a beer while working on their computer.
And starting a small repair shop is now basically impossible.
And starting a small repair shop is now basically impossible.
Lucky to get a beer honestly.
@phnt@fluffytail.org @sendpaws@mitra.pawslut.party @maid@shitposter.world @mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world @newt@stereophonic.space No, sorry. I agree that appealing to computer illiterate users is detrimental when taken too far, but I do not think this is an excuse to deny the general population encouragement to free themselves. They are better here than there. We have more control over the Linux experience as end users. When they enshittify it as they've already been doing, it will be harder for the RedHat/Microsoft cult to maintain an iron grip like what Windows allows. We still lose the ecosystem, but we make any "muh user friendly" numbing unenforceable and create a gateway for freedom to seep back in when people get tired again. Just look at what happened to XOrg. Still not dead, infact people are more vocally against Wayland's creeping now than ever.
Plus, GNOME design elitists and similar are blind to their users regardless. It doesn't matter how many new users turn over or not because they are going to keep pretending they are at the forefront of "user friendly Linux" since it is a power fantasy for them. The correct response is to bring new users over but inform them of the better options they have, that individual choice does not have to be scary and user friendliness does not mean mimicking a cell phone. People who want to turn us back into passive consumers are not going to stop at "there are no users" because they're out of touch and see enthusiasts as potential conversion anyway (that or they call us all fascists, because when politics are involved that is considered a "win" in their book).
Plus, GNOME design elitists and similar are blind to their users regardless. It doesn't matter how many new users turn over or not because they are going to keep pretending they are at the forefront of "user friendly Linux" since it is a power fantasy for them. The correct response is to bring new users over but inform them of the better options they have, that individual choice does not have to be scary and user friendliness does not mean mimicking a cell phone. People who want to turn us back into passive consumers are not going to stop at "there are no users" because they're out of touch and see enthusiasts as potential conversion anyway (that or they call us all fascists, because when politics are involved that is considered a "win" in their book).
@bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt
>No, sorry. I agree that appealing to computer illiterate users is detrimental when taken too far, but I do not think this is an excuse to deny the general population encouragement to free themselves.
We agree on this. My point wasn't that bringing more people will be bad, it was that if you bring more people in the current state, it will be bad.
>When they enshittify it as they've already been doing, it will be harder for the RedHat/Microsoft cult to maintain an iron grip like what Windows allows.
Red Hat is already almost the only reason why Linux desktop is currently even working, but also almost the only reason why it sucks. When you look at almost any major project, they are maintaining it or involved in it. GCC is maintained mostly by Red Hat, glibc's maintainer is from Red Hat, Red Hat is also involved in iconv and coreutils. And that's just GNU projects. You then look at FreeDesktop projects and it's even more Red Hat. Mesa is quite a lot of Red Hat along with GPU companies, NetworkManager is almost exclusively Red Hat, GNOME is heavily sponsored by Red Hat. Point is, IBM can decide to kill Linux at any moment, if they wish to via Red Hat as a proxy. They are already the only absolute foundation of the whole "ecosystem".
But they are also by proxy the reason why Linux sucks. Wayland always was heavily pushed by Red Hat along with it's stupid sandboxing, portals and all that other crap that never works properly. Flatpak is heavily pushed by GNOME, ie. Red Hat.
>Just look at what happened to XOrg. Still not dead, infact people are more vocally against Wayland's creeping now than ever.
And those people are at the whims of Wayland devs. Any time some lunatic can decide to delete X11 support from mesa and it's not like anyone from the small community will be able to maintain that. Any time GNOME devs can decide that the next GTK version will be Wayland only and you aren't maintaining that heap of garbage either.
>The correct response is to bring new users over but inform them of the better options they have, that individual choice does not have to be scary and user friendliness does not mean mimicking a cell phone.
Do you know what the only correct way to convert someone to Linux is?
Also on the point of user-friendliness and why things worked better 10-15 years ago. 10 years ago, a user had an operating system, one package manager, one theme, one way to install applications. Today a user has to think about Flatpaks, Snaps, AppImages, their OS package manager; whether they use PulseAudio or Pipewire (both break in different ways at random); whether they are using Wayland or not (Wayland is still broken in unique ways); whether they are running apps sandboxed without knowing, eg. Flatpaks/Snaps (apps randomly break, files the user wants to interact with aren't always visible due to sandboxing, apps don't usually respect system theme at all,...); what even is a portal and why doesn't it work,...
>No, sorry. I agree that appealing to computer illiterate users is detrimental when taken too far, but I do not think this is an excuse to deny the general population encouragement to free themselves.
We agree on this. My point wasn't that bringing more people will be bad, it was that if you bring more people in the current state, it will be bad.
>When they enshittify it as they've already been doing, it will be harder for the RedHat/Microsoft cult to maintain an iron grip like what Windows allows.
Red Hat is already almost the only reason why Linux desktop is currently even working, but also almost the only reason why it sucks. When you look at almost any major project, they are maintaining it or involved in it. GCC is maintained mostly by Red Hat, glibc's maintainer is from Red Hat, Red Hat is also involved in iconv and coreutils. And that's just GNU projects. You then look at FreeDesktop projects and it's even more Red Hat. Mesa is quite a lot of Red Hat along with GPU companies, NetworkManager is almost exclusively Red Hat, GNOME is heavily sponsored by Red Hat. Point is, IBM can decide to kill Linux at any moment, if they wish to via Red Hat as a proxy. They are already the only absolute foundation of the whole "ecosystem".
But they are also by proxy the reason why Linux sucks. Wayland always was heavily pushed by Red Hat along with it's stupid sandboxing, portals and all that other crap that never works properly. Flatpak is heavily pushed by GNOME, ie. Red Hat.
>Just look at what happened to XOrg. Still not dead, infact people are more vocally against Wayland's creeping now than ever.
And those people are at the whims of Wayland devs. Any time some lunatic can decide to delete X11 support from mesa and it's not like anyone from the small community will be able to maintain that. Any time GNOME devs can decide that the next GTK version will be Wayland only and you aren't maintaining that heap of garbage either.
>The correct response is to bring new users over but inform them of the better options they have, that individual choice does not have to be scary and user friendliness does not mean mimicking a cell phone.
Do you know what the only correct way to convert someone to Linux is?
- Be a normie
- Only use a word processor and a web browser
- Have someone that can be tech support at all times
- Have someone deep into Linux install and configure Mint for you
- Never, ever, visit any Linux-related forum or ask for help online
Also on the point of user-friendliness and why things worked better 10-15 years ago. 10 years ago, a user had an operating system, one package manager, one theme, one way to install applications. Today a user has to think about Flatpaks, Snaps, AppImages, their OS package manager; whether they use PulseAudio or Pipewire (both break in different ways at random); whether they are using Wayland or not (Wayland is still broken in unique ways); whether they are running apps sandboxed without knowing, eg. Flatpaks/Snaps (apps randomly break, files the user wants to interact with aren't always visible due to sandboxing, apps don't usually respect system theme at all,...); what even is a portal and why doesn't it work,...
@bonkmaykr @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt @sendpaws
>And those people are at the whims of Wayland devs. Any time some lunatic can decide to delete X11 support from mesa and it's not like anyone from the small community will be able to maintain that. Any time GNOME devs can decide that the next GTK version will be Wayland only and you aren't maintaining that heap of garbage either.
Looks like that is exactly what is happening: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/8060
>And those people are at the whims of Wayland devs. Any time some lunatic can decide to delete X11 support from mesa and it's not like anyone from the small community will be able to maintain that. Any time GNOME devs can decide that the next GTK version will be Wayland only and you aren't maintaining that heap of garbage either.
Looks like that is exactly what is happening: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/merge_requests/8060
@phnt @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt weird how they are obsessed with not using X11 and think anyone who uses X11 is a fascist, like XLibre
@dps910 @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt Gnome has cult mentality. Whatever 
thinks, everybody must think.
https://archive.md/zie0l
thinks, everybody must think. https://archive.md/zie0l
@phnt @bonkmaykr @sendpaws @maid @mangeurdenuage @newt gnome could make a good desktop if they stop caring about drama. I havnt seen KDE making any rant blog posts about Lunduke or xlibre lol