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Trans isn't even recognized as a protected class under the Equal Protection Clause (United States v. Skrmetti) so why would the Supreme Court rule that you MUST allow someone to play in a gender segregated sport based on what they identify as?

People out here like WOW SUPREME COURT BAD, HOW COULD THEY

@feld I'm seeing a lot of outrage based on Thomas's opinion that being trans isnt an immutable characteristic

@georgia it's hard to swallow but he's not wrong. A not insignificant number of people de-transition which means it's obviously not an immutable characteristic.

It sucks but it's true.

@feld @georgia I'm not trying to attac trans people but its just obviously also true that you literally can't know without talking to a person, and then you can't derive intent why someone says they are, why they transitioned, or why they detransitioned. if you can frame this as an immutable characteristic that would be insanely weird

@sun @feld @georgia Unfortunately it absolutely is an immutable characteristic

@scathach @feld @georgia it is but it's also not one that can really be externally tested which is a really important legal prerequisite in a lot of cases.

@sun @feld @georgia There is a little bit of research indicating it could be externally tested whether or not someone is trans with fMRI brain scans but last I checked nobody it hasn't been seriously pursued

@scathach @feld @sun there is also even more compelling overlapping evidence of "gay brain"

@georgia @feld @sun@shitposter.world @scathach the backslide from normie cishet liberals i knew irl in 2019 going "oh i heard trans people have a different shaped brain from the rest of the gender they were born as, that makes sense" and even conversatives agreeing begrudgingly to that to 2020s era "gender is just a feeling" feels so frustrating

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @scathach the idea that gender is just a feeling plays directly into transphobic hands tbh

@georgia @MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @scathach what about bisexual people who sometimes feels attracted to females, and other times to males? aren't those feelings?

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @anokasion @feld @georgia @scathach girl u gotta stop w the phrenology its not a great look

@fiore @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach everytime this thread comes up the only argument i get back is "I think this is politically inconvenient so if you don't pretend it's not real you're a bad person" and "this discussion gives me the ick"

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach nobody said that and youre ignoring the actuaol points people are making but whatever man you do you i suppose . go agree with the chud for all i care see where taht gets you

@fiore @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach how is saying "you've got to stop with this it's a bad look" not "this discussion gives me the ick"

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach i have argued this before with you youre clearly not interested in having a good faith conversation about it so im not even gonna waste words youre right

@fiore @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach the good faith conversation from last time condensed: 'this study with >200,000 participants isnt statistically significant, and if it is we should deny it's real anyway for political convenience and if you object you're cringe'

@fiore @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach im going to be real I can't remember what you specifically said in that thread bcs there were numerous different people in it arguing against me, and my posts autodelete after a while so i cant find it to reread it now

@fiore @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach also the "I have X trait so I'm Y and so is everyone else with X trait" thing is a ridiculous straw man and I've never said stuff like that, I think in a large population of people who are Y, X trait will be slightly more pronounced and the centre of the bell curve will skew slightly off what the norm is, also maybe people with a very pronounced X trait could be Z% more likely to be Y than people with a normal X trait.

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @anokasion @georgia @scathach 0 predictive power means it is not science and it is in fact useless . furthermore , 0 theoretical links between the obsesrved trait and the implied characteristic means not only it is useles , but also very easily disproven . the fact that nobody bothered to do so is just because the first part of this post already rendered it a joke so why even bother .