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Trans isn't even recognized as a protected class under the Equal Protection Clause (United States v. Skrmetti) so why would the Supreme Court rule that you MUST allow someone to play in a gender segregated sport based on what they identify as?

People out here like WOW SUPREME COURT BAD, HOW COULD THEY

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@feld I'm seeing a lot of outrage based on Thomas's opinion that being trans isnt an immutable characteristic

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@feld@friedcheese.us remote

@georgia it's hard to swallow but he's not wrong. A not insignificant number of people de-transition which means it's obviously not an immutable characteristic.

It sucks but it's true.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@feld @georgia I'm not trying to attac trans people but its just obviously also true that you literally can't know without talking to a person, and then you can't derive intent why someone says they are, why they transitioned, or why they detransitioned. if you can frame this as an immutable characteristic that would be insanely weird

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@scathach@stereophonic.space remote

@sun @feld @georgia Unfortunately it absolutely is an immutable characteristic

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@scathach @feld @georgia it is but it's also not one that can really be externally tested which is a really important legal prerequisite in a lot of cases.

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@scathach@stereophonic.space remote

@sun @feld @georgia There is a little bit of research indicating it could be externally tested whether or not someone is trans with fMRI brain scans but last I checked nobody it hasn't been seriously pursued

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@scathach @feld @sun there is also even more compelling overlapping evidence of "gay brain"

Tears for Keirs

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social remote

@georgia @feld @sun@shitposter.world @scathach the backslide from normie cishet liberals i knew irl in 2019 going "oh i heard trans people have a different shaped brain from the rest of the gender they were born as, that makes sense" and even conversatives agreeing begrudgingly to that to 2020s era "gender is just a feeling" feels so frustrating

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @scathach the idea that gender is just a feeling plays directly into transphobic hands tbh

existential threat

@ikeWren@kill-corporations.enterprises remote

@georgia @MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @scathach yeah i agree that "gender is a feeling" is reductive and counterproductive but i also think that the neuroscience of gender is kinda dubious , lowkey eugenics-coded , and reinforces the psychiatric-state-industrial complex so i do think that we ought to use something somewhat better . same thing for the "gay brain" . using these things is not conducive to a liberatory biopolitics . my foundational text for this is "American Eugenics" by Nancy Ordover , i highly highly recommend it

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@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social remote

@ikeWren @feld @georgia @scathach

i routinely get shit for saying there's some scientific basis for a modern day re-evaluation of phrenology. imo regardless of whether or not we want to acknowledge that there's a gay brain and a straight brain based on what political utility it existing would have, there still will be a gay brain and a straight brain

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@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social remote

@ikeWren @feld @georgia @scathach i cant find the old thread about this, but like we have enough medical conditions with statistically significant bodily changes associated with them (autism, schizophrenia, toxiplasmosa, etc) that i dont get why people refuse to even be open to the idea

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georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @ikeWren @feld @scathach I really think its mostly the legacy of eugenics that is the concern