I am just trying to think through what solutions would be acceptable if we could expect good implementations of a law, and parental controls, and if we assumed good faith on people opposing and promoting these laws. none of which seems to be true
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18ARREST PARENTS FOR FUCKING UP
problem solved.
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@vriska so like coolboymew said, take away their devices and bring back the family living room computer
@sun It has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with building a surveillance grid and social credit system. It's the same thing as the COVID vaccine, the whole point of the vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting sick was to create this same system based on keeping track of vaccines and boosters. When that didn't work out they rebranded it as "protect the children." Note how blue states and red states have different things they are protecting children from, but they are all setting up the same surveillance grid and social credit system.
@vriska I don't have a problem with this
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>solutions would be acceptable
Well you first have to not damage the free market, thus proprietary software is defacto outed but galaxy brains will say that it's not freedom to not be able to destroy the market.
In a normal world a user will ask the tech responsible for the maintenance to solve this since he would be paid for that.
But the average user unknowingly abandoned the maintenance of digital infrastructures.
>and if we assumed good faith
We know it's not good faith, it never was about the children.
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_billion_in_nonprofit_grants_and_45/
But anyway it's imo fair in my experience that parents should not allow their kids to have non-monitored/non-restricted access to the internet.
So it's fair that people should be doing that.
But there are so many way to go around any of these filters that only an experienced admin would know how to do that.
The only proper implementation of this sort of law as I stated in my scenario joke post, would be that people should hire someone to do it, it's cheap when your tech is crowdfunded (and if he does his job properly).
That the software is FSF certified, as it will make a neutral setting for any company big or small to actually compete/serve users.
And that the companies have to log and have transparent rules sets/configuration to be audited by the parents/customers.
The other solution would be to automate a software that would cover most case scenario but that would lead to just more trouble. You can't automate something like this and leave it in the hands of people who will put no password or the same leaked password everywhere.
Except of course if the password is mandatory self generated into something strong.
Then the user would have to user scan a QR code to save it, which will leak immediately if they use the backdoored default app one on their mobile computer.
Again you cannot expect people who were trained into having no digital hygiene to even do the basics suddenly.
So the best solution is I say it again, pay your freaking tech and the tech better be maintaining the software stack/infrastructure he uses.
>solutions would be acceptable
Well you first have to not damage the free market, thus proprietary software is defacto outed but galaxy brains will say that it's not freedom to not be able to destroy the market.
In a normal world a user will ask the tech responsible for the maintenance to solve this since he would be paid for that.
But the average user unknowingly abandoned the maintenance of digital infrastructures.
>and if we assumed good faith
We know it's not good faith, it never was about the children.
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1rshc1f/i_traced_2_billion_in_nonprofit_grants_and_45/
But anyway it's imo fair in my experience that parents should not allow their kids to have non-monitored/non-restricted access to the internet.
So it's fair that people should be doing that.
But there are so many way to go around any of these filters that only an experienced admin would know how to do that.
The only proper implementation of this sort of law as I stated in my scenario joke post, would be that people should hire someone to do it, it's cheap when your tech is crowdfunded (and if he does his job properly).
That the software is FSF certified, as it will make a neutral setting for any company big or small to actually compete/serve users.
And that the companies have to log and have transparent rules sets/configuration to be audited by the parents/customers.
The other solution would be to automate a software that would cover most case scenario but that would lead to just more trouble. You can't automate something like this and leave it in the hands of people who will put no password or the same leaked password everywhere.
Except of course if the password is mandatory self generated into something strong.
Then the user would have to user scan a QR code to save it, which will leak immediately if they use the backdoored default app one on their mobile computer.
Again you cannot expect people who were trained into having no digital hygiene to even do the basics suddenly.
So the best solution is I say it again, pay your freaking tech and the tech better be maintaining the software stack/infrastructure he uses.
There should be more offline long-form games for kids. I learned more about typing from zork and castle of the winds than mavis beacan.
@sun the law already exists in that if you leave your kids completely unsupervised and never educate them on basic safety and they get in big trouble you can get got for neglect or endangerment
having a designated parental control suite would be sweet but you just know anything a goverment comittee bangs out will be rancid and kids will immediately pass the word on how to evade it
having a designated parental control suite would be sweet but you just know anything a goverment comittee bangs out will be rancid and kids will immediately pass the word on how to evade it
@sun Someone I know IRL dismissed me as a conspiracy theorist for saying that the age gating laws popping up everywhere are a conscious and centrally controlled push to eradicate privacy online and not three weeks later a report comes out that Facebook is behind most of them lol
@scathach I don't have nice things to say about anybody still using the term conspiracy theorist pejoratively in 2026
@sun Yeah at this point it's a sign that they're completely out of touch with reality
@scathach I found a guy named kyle kulinski "secular talk" on youtube, talking about the ai claims about those netanyahu videos. he was trying to make a point about AI making it impossible to know what's true anymore (ok that's right) but then weirdly was claiming that as a society we used to agree on truth because we could believe our eyes. I guess, our eyes seeing through the lens of what mass media showed us? very bad if this is the state of modern skeptic movement, just believing stuff lol
@sun Huh, I watched this guy during my atheist phase 10+ years ago and I guess he's just as dumb now as he was back then