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@sun it's pretty much how Indonesia did it.

put the whitelist per-device if youre concerned about ISP privacy

@sun Remember net nanny? You could just terminate the process from the task manager and use any website you wanted anyway

@sun expecting the average idiot to know what DNS is, lol

these would have to be prebuilt and work like Cisco Umbrella's categorization system

@sun Most ISP have custom router shit nowadays, if not separate security apps, and they usually keep the devices that connected on it. This could easily be applicable per computers

@7666 yeah basically

@7666 @sun I still think the easiest thing they could do:
-Outlaw ownership of smartphones (dumb phones accepted) and tablet for kids, with outright confiscation if a kid is found with one
-Advocate for a return to the living room/kitchen computer, which will also lead the kids to not be complete computer retards because of the idiot squares made for idiots

@coolboymew @7666 yeah there is a real gap because it effectively has to be on the device if you need more fine grained control than just everyone who uses your isp having the same rules

@coolboymew @7666 @sun really it should have been pinned to the sim card, everything else is a dumb waste of time and resources

@sun "b-but you can go over that with a vpn !"
"how are we supposed to groom children if parents can monitor them !?"

@sun All the your logical solutions in the world would not work when their goals are different

@coolboymew @sun
>Most ISP have custom router shit nowadays
Reminds me that my ISP labeled the site for youtube revanced as dangerous malware and refuses to respond to requests for any of the archive.* domains.

@sun could this be done thought /etc/hosts ?

@billiam not exactly. DNS is a richer interface than /etc/hosts including different ips for different record types, and multiple load balanced destinsations for a name, wildcards, etc.

@sun this would be perfect for the gateway? set up what the different devices can visit. mobile use goes via a vpn through the home gateway.

Isn't this pretty much what those e.g., netnanny products do?

@sun it doesn't have anything to do with children.

i spent a long time this morning reading about how the U.S. Government has no way to track all of its citizens because SSN aren't identifiers (except when they are), and we have no federal ID.

This doesn't have anything to do with children and everything to do with lobbyists for techbro companies to spy on us even harder.

Fucking age attestation. the dumbest, thinnest veneer over surveillance.

@sun

How would that work with DoH, VPNs, Tor, the ability to add custom DNS providers (eg. OpenNIC), or even just add an ip + hostname in /etc/hosts, etc? Not that age verification is technically any better, but the DNS approach seems too easy to circumvent, not to mention being built-in to most modern browsers already via DoH. Guaranteed at least one kid will figure that out and tell all their friends how to do it.