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@cjd @Sovereign @jobanab I agree there's a very powerful Jewish lobby. Too powerful. And it can force certain things. Whether it could force Trump into this Iran thing, I don't know. He has his own mind but he's also very pro-Israel. It's the same conundrum that the media has, where you don't work in it if your opinions don't fit. Would Trump be in power if he wasn't pro-Israel?

I said at the start of this that I like Massie. Massie would be great if congress were not completely corrupt.

@cjd @Sovereign @jobanab A lot of the people in control in the US are American zionist jews, not Israelis, not even dual citizens.

So is that Israel in control or a larger transnational body.

I agree, they do pretty much what they want in their neighborhood.

People are facing some consequences but mostly because of association and not legally. I'm not sure the Epstein thing extends beyond his own proclivity for raping underage girls. There's no proof in what's been released. But as you say ..

You can look at the demonic child sacrificing and child raping artwork John Podesta and his brother have in their homes and say "this doesn't mean they rape kids". They proudly show it off to news cameras too.

Some people love flaunting their power because they know they can never be prosecuted.

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Yup, same thing. If you're coming at this stuff from a first principles "what's the most likely explanation?" perspective, you end up having to face some dark conclusions.

Most people are too cowardly for that, so they'll look at it like "is there any way I can explain to myself how this could potentially be innocent, so I can go back to beer and football and lawn work", and as it turns out, there absolutely is.