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@Sovereign I'll miss Massie. If everyone in congress was like him, congress would be a better place.
I would still have voted against him if I was in his state. He's simply too useful to the Democrats.
Awareness of the USS Liberty is going up right now. It's a useful cudgel.
> Let's vote out one of the few anti-zionists and replace him with a neocon zionist to own the Dems
You should lose your right to vote due to being retarded
You should lose your right to vote due to being retarded
@jobanab @Sovereign The world revolves around more than Israel.
It's not even in my top 20 priorities.
Israel controls the US government, pretending they don't is basically coping.
@cjd @Sovereign @jobanab I agree there's a very powerful Jewish lobby. Too powerful. And it can force certain things. Whether it could force Trump into this Iran thing, I don't know. He has his own mind but he's also very pro-Israel. It's the same conundrum that the media has, where you don't work in it if your opinions don't fit. Would Trump be in power if he wasn't pro-Israel?
I said at the start of this that I like Massie. Massie would be great if congress were not completely corrupt.
I didn't say Jewish, I said Israel.
They control the US government, they do whatever they want, and they flaunt it. That's why not one single person has been brought to justice over the Epstein scandal.
They control the US government, they do whatever they want, and they flaunt it. That's why not one single person has been brought to justice over the Epstein scandal.
@cjd @Sovereign @jobanab A lot of the people in control in the US are American zionist jews, not Israelis, not even dual citizens.
So is that Israel in control or a larger transnational body.
I agree, they do pretty much what they want in their neighborhood.
People are facing some consequences but mostly because of association and not legally. I'm not sure the Epstein thing extends beyond his own proclivity for raping underage girls. There's no proof in what's been released. But as you say ..
@Sovereign @cjd @jobanab I'm aware of the Rothschild connection.
A lot of Epstein as a rapist seems to be mixed up with him being a money launderer potentially for intelligence services.
The thing I'm interested in is seeing rapists brought to justice.
I'm not sure there's any hope of doing more than piercing some of the veil around the money.
The Epstein files are a Rorschach test.
You CAN look at them and say "this doesn't prove anything", but it's not intellectually honest. It's what cowards do when they don't want to face the fact that things are pretty bad. It's cope.
You CAN look at them and say "this doesn't prove anything", but it's not intellectually honest. It's what cowards do when they don't want to face the fact that things are pretty bad. It's cope.
You can look at the demonic child sacrificing and child raping artwork John Podesta and his brother have in their homes and say "this doesn't mean they rape kids". They proudly show it off to news cameras too.
Some people love flaunting their power because they know they can never be prosecuted.
Some people love flaunting their power because they know they can never be prosecuted.
@cjd @Sovereign @jobanab Point me at one you think in incontrovertible.
I agree people are reading into them what they want.
There are a bunch of unsubstantiated statements to the FBI in there and they read like bad fiction.
There's certainly some sickness in there that's enough to make me retch but is it fiction or reality and will we ever know.
Yup, same thing. If you're coming at this stuff from a first principles "what's the most likely explanation?" perspective, you end up having to face some dark conclusions.
Most people are too cowardly for that, so they'll look at it like "is there any way I can explain to myself how this could potentially be innocent, so I can go back to beer and football and lawn work", and as it turns out, there absolutely is.
Most people are too cowardly for that, so they'll look at it like "is there any way I can explain to myself how this could potentially be innocent, so I can go back to beer and football and lawn work", and as it turns out, there absolutely is.
I'm not going to do that.
Firstly, if you WANT to believe that it's all innocent I'm not going to try to take that away from you, you have to want to give it up.
Secondly, there's no one thing that is truly incontrovertible, it's a combination of many many many little scraps of circumstantial evidence.
I don't even think there's anything I've seen that would pass Reasonable Doubt. But for me, it doesn't have to.
I want to know what is true, be it as good or as bad as it might be. And because of that I look at everything, and I consider every reasonable interpretation, and I try to zoom in on what is most likely to be accurate.
If you want that too, you don't need my help, you can very easily find the information yourself and sift through it. Or read what other people have to say about it.
And you might come to the opposite conclusion as me, but you won't be asking for proof, you will be able to explain in short-hand how you got to that conclusion, which will be something that anyone else well versed in the topic will be able to quickly understand.
Firstly, if you WANT to believe that it's all innocent I'm not going to try to take that away from you, you have to want to give it up.
Secondly, there's no one thing that is truly incontrovertible, it's a combination of many many many little scraps of circumstantial evidence.
I don't even think there's anything I've seen that would pass Reasonable Doubt. But for me, it doesn't have to.
I want to know what is true, be it as good or as bad as it might be. And because of that I look at everything, and I consider every reasonable interpretation, and I try to zoom in on what is most likely to be accurate.
If you want that too, you don't need my help, you can very easily find the information yourself and sift through it. Or read what other people have to say about it.
And you might come to the opposite conclusion as me, but you won't be asking for proof, you will be able to explain in short-hand how you got to that conclusion, which will be something that anyone else well versed in the topic will be able to quickly understand.