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reflecting a lot on #fediverse lately. instance hopping is such an event and sometimes disruptive. ive spent a lot of time running #chatmail relays and until recently contributing to upstream. we can relay hop and its almost silent. your cryptographic identity is owned by you, not the relay operator. giving you a feeling or being nomadic. servers go down, operators retire or fade out. but you keep your identity.

this works great for #deltachat and enjoy the flexibility. but #activitypub doesn't have an agreed upon implementation. @silverpill is doing great work with his research and #mitra ecosystem. my hopes are eventually we'll see this on fedi across the ecosystems.

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@jae I am also missing this a lot in the fediverse, it is so powerful to be able to have more than one server for the same profile, that now I don't even know how to live without it in other platforms

it would be good for the fediverse because quite often you can't see post from other people because your server is not federating with their server, with such network splits having several servers at the same time is even more needed!

there is already #Nostr solving that problem, but to be honest the community around is always talking about bitcoin, crypto, blockchain and other crazy stuff

@silverpill

@adbenitez @silverpill having multi-relay like #deltachat or #nostr would be great. im not sure if this will ever happen. much less nomadic identity. one of the guys in our research group broke it down as to why it won't work (mostly mastodon)

visibility is a problem at times. some relays block or don't federate based on size, who you proxy through, etc. relays help but they don't solve the portable identity issue.

nostr is interesting. the tech/spec is light and pretty great. i think its like anything else, what you make of it. you can curate your network based on relays and interests. we should try some experiment soon

@jae @adbenitez

one of the guys in our research group broke it down as to why it won't work (mostly mastodon)

I am curious to hear why it won't work. Because I am not aware of any technical barriers to true nomadic identity.

Mastodon can't provide nomadic identities (incompatible architecture), but it can support verification of portable objects if there is a political will. Even if they refuse to do so, there is a whole fediverse outside of Mastodon.

@silverpill @jae @adbenitez

> Even if they refuse to do so, there is a whole fediverse outside of Mastodon.

there's *checks stats* ~1 million MAU on Mastodon and if you filter out the fake fedi accounts (wordpress, nodebb, etc) we have about MAU 250,000 users across everything else and I'm pretty sure those numbers are inflated a lot too

Unfortunately there's not much outside Mastodon which is ridiculously small itself :sigh: