Just a reminder that the IETF is broken:
https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2026-June/039613.html
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@encthenet that's a rather strong word. Mistakes were made
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This isn't the only case. the Tcpenc group and what's happening with the tls pq draft being shoved through as additional examples.
@encthenet didn't know about tcpenc. Disagree with you on the pq draft.
@rsalz @encthenet recent DJB seems informative more than nit picky here: https://blog.cr.yp.to/20260630-risk.html
@darkuncle @encthenet I have known him for about 30 years. Back in the Usenet days. Lately, he will twist and cherry pick people's words to reinforce his point. Sorry, I admit that this may be on me, but I no longer think he is operating in good faith and I do not trust him or what he says anymore. He did it with me, here on this platform, so I am speaking from experience.
i long ago got to considering DJB as a highly intelligent person whose paranoias and fears made useful and collaborative use of said intelligence mostly impossible. a pity.
@paul_ipv6 @rsalz @darkuncle @encthenet
Please read this before treating djb with any seriousness. https://keymaterial.net/2025/11/27/ml-kem-mythbusting/
@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @rsalz @darkuncle @encthenet stop believing in quantum computers, that's the first mistake
@feld @encthenet @darkuncle @paul_ipv6 @sophieschmieg @rsalz their blog post seems really good even if you think quantum computers are a boondoggle.
@feld @darkuncle @encthenet @paul_ipv6 @rsalz @sophieschmieg her post does not seem to address the very specific technical criticisms djb made though 
@sun @encthenet @darkuncle @paul_ipv6 @sophieschmieg @rsalz that's the usual tactic people take when they're upset that djb is right about something. he's a prick, but he's almost never wrong which is painful to accept.
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@feld @encthenet @darkuncle @paul_ipv6 @sophieschmieg @rsalz @sun that and his domain name is pretty amazing.
@jae @encthenet @darkuncle @paul_ipv6 @sophieschmieg @rsalz @sun when he dies and the domain expires it's totally going to become a bitcoin site