@feld @cmccullough @nixCraft I *love* the focus on frictionless adoption, maintaining existing semantics, and specifically targeting existing well-known shortcomings. Brilliant approach.
Scott Francis
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Asking “what if?” for a living, trying to think and act long-term (emerging tech security) • opinions mine, not guaranteed correct • rarely an expert, often an enthusiast • Internet ops since the 20th century • eternally curious • loved beyond comprehension; learning to relax • be kind • celebrate beauty • fear not • keep hope alive • SoCal 🌊
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@feld there are about eight hardware modalities for quantum computers right now; only some of them require superconductivity. There are also a great many real-world problems to be solved with quantum computers that have nothing to do with factoring large integers; breaking RSA or ECC is probably not even in the first five major breakthroughs that we will see. I think it’s important to keep in mind that the reality of quantum computing as a paradigm is very much distinct from whether or not someone can spoof a DSA signature or break your TLS 1.2 traffic in something approaching real time.
The problem is, we have been seeing for the last 10 years a series of exponential growth inflection points when it comes to quantum computing capability, and we usually cannot see that those were inflection points until they are in the rearview. Almost all of them were also not in areas that experts had previously predicted we would see breakthroughs.
The other problem is that transitioning the entire installed base of cryptography on the Internet to new standards is something that will take many years of effort. If we wait until we are reasonably certain that Shor’s algorithm at scale is around the corner, we have waited far too long to mitigate that business risk.
I would refer you here to Scott Aaronson’s blog post from a few weeks back; he is both well respected and not prone to hyperbole: https://scottaaronson.blog/?p=9718
@feld @sun@shitposter.world @encthenet @paul_ipv6 @sophieschmieg @rsalz nah, they have already happened, just not at sufficient scale for Shor’s (yet). We have seen exponential improvements in error correction and coherence times in just the last couple of years; there is no reason to believe that trend will abruptly cease.
@rsalz @encthenet recent DJB seems informative more than nit picky here: https://blog.cr.yp.to/20260630-risk.html
nothing screams confidence like selling a hundred year bond that won't even mature until after the person buying it has died https://www.reuters.com/business/retail-consumer/alphabets-debt-raise-fuels-forecasts-record-year-corporate-bond-sales-2026-02-09/
Observed in chat this morning that my rate of book acquisition outstrips my ability to read, and that my wife bought me a new bookcase which I promptly filled with the stack on my nightstand ... and six months later the nightstand stack was back.
I joked this was the Banach-Tarski of reading but I'm afraid nobody in chat got it. *sigh*