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@7666
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/30/ice-immigration-court-orders-00757894
>“There has been an undeniable move by the Government in the past month to defy court orders or at least to stretch the legal process to the breaking point in an attempt to deny noncitizens their due process rights,”
That's nonsense we cannot entertain anymore. Perhaps in the far past when there wasn't millions upon millions, but you literally cannot due process absolutely every single illegals, which there'll be several magnitude mode by the time you process one. That's a complete waste of time, resources and it's quite literally the goal of the whole affair
>the chief judge on Minnesota’s federal bench
It's literally the state where foreigners are defrauding tax money by the billions? Really? Why do we care what the judge there has to say?
>That relocation caused the woman to miss her hearing to seek protection from being deported back to El Salvador, where she said she feared domestic abuse.
??? What?
This isn't even Governmental oppression or something like that, why has this been granted at all?
https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/30/ice-immigration-court-orders-00757894
>“There has been an undeniable move by the Government in the past month to defy court orders or at least to stretch the legal process to the breaking point in an attempt to deny noncitizens their due process rights,”
That's nonsense we cannot entertain anymore. Perhaps in the far past when there wasn't millions upon millions, but you literally cannot due process absolutely every single illegals, which there'll be several magnitude mode by the time you process one. That's a complete waste of time, resources and it's quite literally the goal of the whole affair
>the chief judge on Minnesota’s federal bench
It's literally the state where foreigners are defrauding tax money by the billions? Really? Why do we care what the judge there has to say?
>That relocation caused the woman to miss her hearing to seek protection from being deported back to El Salvador, where she said she feared domestic abuse.
??? What?
This isn't even Governmental oppression or something like that, why has this been granted at all?
@coolboymew @7666
> foreigners are defrauding tax money by the billions?
REALLY? Minnesota's child-care subsidy program is BILLIONS of dollars? That would be fucking amazing if true, but instead it's under $200M
> foreigners are defrauding tax money by the billions?
REALLY? Minnesota's child-care subsidy program is BILLIONS of dollars? That would be fucking amazing if true, but instead it's under $200M
@coolboymew @7666 buddy, the lizards are convincing you that illegals are draining the government's coffers with fraud when the real fraud is being done by real white American businessmen, especially in the healthcare sector.
this is just regular levels of defrauding the government. It happens everywhere. The solution isn't to eliminate the programs, it's to actually hire enough people to audit the system.
imagine if we put the same level of investigative journalism energy into all the medicare fraud, like how there's still doctors writing fake ass prescriptions for my mom that shows up on her medicare billing but nothing happens when we report it?
they're collectively doing $150M in fraud PER DAY ($60 billion per year) but we can't deport them or turn a raging mob against them because of their skin color so we should just let this one slide eh
and this is only *medicare*
this is just regular levels of defrauding the government. It happens everywhere. The solution isn't to eliminate the programs, it's to actually hire enough people to audit the system.
imagine if we put the same level of investigative journalism energy into all the medicare fraud, like how there's still doctors writing fake ass prescriptions for my mom that shows up on her medicare billing but nothing happens when we report it?
they're collectively doing $150M in fraud PER DAY ($60 billion per year) but we can't deport them or turn a raging mob against them because of their skin color so we should just let this one slide eh
and this is only *medicare*
@coolboymew @7666
> they're barely even functional. Why are they here?
I say the same thing about Americans every day
The news has successfully blown this up into the latest iteration of the "welfare queen" scandal and they're using it to manipulate people against /the others/
> they're barely even functional. Why are they here?
I say the same thing about Americans every day
The news has successfully blown this up into the latest iteration of the "welfare queen" scandal and they're using it to manipulate people against /the others/
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@feld @7666 No matter what, people that shouldn't be there doing fraud is really fucking bad, as it could've been avoided. The whole story also implies a lot of this money got out of the country, so it's not even coming back around, and I'll let you know, usually these communities, when let free to gather a lot like this, usually ends up creating micro economies that mostly tend to themselves, all the while (even without fraud) sending a lot of money abroad to their home countries, which makes us all poorer as a result
@coolboymew
> sending a lot of money abroad to their home countries, which makes us all poorer as a result
except this actually increases the consumption of U.S. exports which grows our businesses. Trying to frame remittances as purely something bad does not jive with real economic analysis.
if there was proof that "billions of dollars in fraud in Minnesota" was being sent out of the country, that would be bad, sure, because clawing that money back is hard (but not impossible)
> sending a lot of money abroad to their home countries, which makes us all poorer as a result
except this actually increases the consumption of U.S. exports which grows our businesses. Trying to frame remittances as purely something bad does not jive with real economic analysis.
if there was proof that "billions of dollars in fraud in Minnesota" was being sent out of the country, that would be bad, sure, because clawing that money back is hard (but not impossible)
@feld This one is a stretch and you know it, and as far as I'm aware, a bunch of the 3rd world already get discounted version of stuff in the first place and all it really ends up doing is big tech and really big businesses in general strongarming themselves into the world at large into a bigger monopoly
@coolboymew it's not a stretch, what the hell do you think the petrodollar was for? To make other countries hold dollars just to be able to buy oil
why?
so they're forced to sell us their garbage cheaply to get dollars (USA gets cheaper imports due to imbalanced trade), then they can buy oil and other US exports with those dollars.
why?
so they're forced to sell us their garbage cheaply to get dollars (USA gets cheaper imports due to imbalanced trade), then they can buy oil and other US exports with those dollars.
@feld You're bringing something completely different than joe haiti sending money to his cousin back home
@coolboymew oh so now it's not a big deal? which one is it? is the remittance a serious drain on our economy or not? you can't seem to stick to a talking point
@feld there's no guarantee that joe haiti's cousin will spend money on ____ shit
@coolboymew they're just going to hold the dollars forever and let them be eaten away by the inflation they can't control because we run the only money printers for it? fat chance, they have to spend it. it has to move. that's literally the design of our current monetary policy.
@feld Okay alright, you're right about remittances specifically
@coolboymew so let's circle back to the original topic:
Is fraud bad? Yes
Is defrauding taxpayers worse? Of course
Is this fraud so severe that it should shock Americans to their core and make us turn against immigrants, regardless of their status?
Not even close. Powerful criminals are pushing this as a distraction from problems that are significantly more severe, and racists are loving the opportunity to coerce more and more white Americans into blaming immigrants for economic problems
That's what's going on, and it's stupid to not speak up against it.
Public services are always going to be victim to fraud. The solution isn't to eliminate the programs, but to put in the effort to eliminate the fraud. This will require Republicans to vote to expand the public sector so we can hire people to spend their time auditing the recipients of the funding/grants.
The question everyone should be asking is "Why don't we have enough public servants to stop this before it gets out of control?"
edit: like you can't blame health inspectors for not catching listeria outbreaks when we don't have enough health inspectors to have a meaningful impact. A meatpacking plant getting checked only once every few weeks for 30 years isn't okay.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/usda-admits-skipped-meat-plant-checks-for-30-years-idUSN29306547/
Is fraud bad? Yes
Is defrauding taxpayers worse? Of course
Is this fraud so severe that it should shock Americans to their core and make us turn against immigrants, regardless of their status?
Not even close. Powerful criminals are pushing this as a distraction from problems that are significantly more severe, and racists are loving the opportunity to coerce more and more white Americans into blaming immigrants for economic problems
That's what's going on, and it's stupid to not speak up against it.
Public services are always going to be victim to fraud. The solution isn't to eliminate the programs, but to put in the effort to eliminate the fraud. This will require Republicans to vote to expand the public sector so we can hire people to spend their time auditing the recipients of the funding/grants.
The question everyone should be asking is "Why don't we have enough public servants to stop this before it gets out of control?"
edit: like you can't blame health inspectors for not catching listeria outbreaks when we don't have enough health inspectors to have a meaningful impact. A meatpacking plant getting checked only once every few weeks for 30 years isn't okay.
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us/usda-admits-skipped-meat-plant-checks-for-30-years-idUSN29306547/
@feld They bring other significant problems though even if remittances isn't the problem I thought it was, the Minnesota shit wasn't even the main point that started the thread though