@Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry I think moldbug is a jew first, a democracy hater second, and a tech worshipper third and only because the "new feudal lords" he sucks up to are all involved in surveillance tech
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@WandererUber @Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry I think he is a child of State Department employees first - which is critical here.
But also I think the point he is trying to make is not so much that flock cameras are great, but it's already a slave labor hellscape ( thus fighting flock isn't worth it - in his opinion )
But also I think the point he is trying to make is not so much that flock cameras are great, but it's already a slave labor hellscape ( thus fighting flock isn't worth it - in his opinion )
@sickburnbro @Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry he did not say this at all. he explicitly said that it's harmful to destroy them:
>make everyone less safe
so he is not doing a "focus on what matters" concern troll.
He is explicitly doing the "giving up your civil liberties will keep you safe" concern troll.
>make everyone less safe
so he is not doing a "focus on what matters" concern troll.
He is explicitly doing the "giving up your civil liberties will keep you safe" concern troll.
@WandererUber @Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry no, I think he's saying you have no civil liberties, so why destroy something that can be used for safety to *pretend* you have them
@sickburnbro @Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry He is explicitly saying that destroying them makes everyone less safe.
And even if he wasn't saying this, but your steelman of him, that's also really retarded because you DO have the civil liberty of getting in your car and driving around without the government knowing where you are at all times, when there are no flock cameras.
And even if he wasn't saying this, but your steelman of him, that's also really retarded because you DO have the civil liberty of getting in your car and driving around without the government knowing where you are at all times, when there are no flock cameras.
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@WandererUber @Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry I hate to tell you, but the states already have traffic cameras all over the place
https://fl511.com/cctv
https://fl511.com/cctv
@sickburnbro @Paultron @NitroDubs @Terry I guess that's why flock has no buyers. There just isn't a market.
If you're going to argue that the goal of Flock isn't dragnet surveillance, you're gonna have to find another idiot, not even I am stupid enough to take that seriously.
If you're going to argue that the goal of Flock isn't dragnet surveillance, you're gonna have to find another idiot, not even I am stupid enough to take that seriously.
Curtis Yarvin would have a point if the cameras weren’t being used to suppress opposition to White genocide
@s2208 @NitroDubs @Terry @sickburnbro @Paultron guy defending the flay white babies alive and dip them in acid machine:
"pshh, you guys are such idiots. They could theoretically use this for safety, you know"
"pshh, you guys are such idiots. They could theoretically use this for safety, you know"
@WandererUber @s2208 @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron equating surveillance with a torture device, while it feels the same, isn't actually useful.
@sickburnbro @s2208 @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron I wasn't doing that. You missed the point.
@sickburnbro @WandererUber @s2208 @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron warrantless surveillance is indeed a form of torture
It is meant to cause anxiety and despair. It is mental and spiritual torture
@s2208 @professionalbigot69 @NitroDubs @Terry @WandererUber @Paultron I don't think in many cases it is intended to do that, it's just a side effect that they don't care about.
They simply want to be able to control all their pawns.
They simply want to be able to control all their pawns.
@sickburnbro @s2208 @professionalbigot69 @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron >their pawns
@s2208 @WandererUber @NitroDubs @Terry @sickburnbro @Paultron Absolutely no cameras would benefit whites in the west immensely.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @s2208 @WandererUber @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron I think police bodycams have been beneficial
Disagree. They give us humorous vignettes but nothing has actually changed. If a police needs to do police work, he just turns the camera off.
@s2208 @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NitroDubs @Terry @WandererUber @Paultron don't vaguepoast - you mean "if a policeman is going to do a crime, he turns the camera off" - and sure that makes sense, but that also means that not having the camera on is an indication of guilt.
I apologize for not being clear enough.
Cops do two things: hurt people and process criminals.
Neither of these need a camera
Cops do two things: hurt people and process criminals.
Neither of these need a camera
@s2208 @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NitroDubs @Terry @sickburnbro @Paultron I think equating surveillance of public spaces (what ESL bro meant by "no cameras") and a tool to collect live evidence of police conduct (bodycams) is laughable in the first place and ridiculous to even take at face value. They clearly serve very different purposes.
@s2208 @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @NitroDubs @Terry @WandererUber @Paultron I mean, sure - but when progressives have spend 80 years demonizing order, and that means the environment for police doing any kind of order stuff has disappeared, cameras can be useful for having people get a better understanding that "hey, this isn't systematic violence of the police against black bodies, these niggas are just insane"
It’s not demonizing order. Cops are not agents of order.
Cops are street muscle for the most powerful gang in a territory. Usually the government.
If you expel the jews, all of this changes basically overnight.
Cops are street muscle for the most powerful gang in a territory. Usually the government.
If you expel the jews, all of this changes basically overnight.
@s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @WandererUber @Paultron When we're in power, we're not dismantling the panopticon. If anything we'll fortify it. We'll just use it against the enemies of whites. The panopticon is bad because the jew runs it. If as a wn you don't understand this, you're not mature enough yet for politics or street activism.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron the panopticon is bad because it has trillions of harmful side effects, which were beneficial side effects to the Jews when they ran things, which you are now inflicting on your own population, for no benefit, because White people do not need the panopticon to build safe societies.
If you don't understand this, get in line for your goygruel and your pod rental application.
If you don't understand this, get in line for your goygruel and your pod rental application.
@WandererUber @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron This is why white Americans lost your country
You don't understand power. You think you know better than all of human history. You think a nation build on personal freedom and not collective honor is better. It is not. The whole world can see it. Except you.
There will always be a boot. You either wear it or you're stomped by it. So wear it.
You don't understand power. You think you know better than all of human history. You think a nation build on personal freedom and not collective honor is better. It is not. The whole world can see it. Except you.
There will always be a boot. You either wear it or you're stomped by it. So wear it.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron motte and bailey type nigga, retreating to the fort 🥀
you didn't say "use state power" you said you want the panopticon.
you didn't say "use state power" you said you want the panopticon.
@WandererUber @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron Those go hand in hand.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron >actually you're only a real White nationalist if you want cameras in kids' locker rooms
miss me with that.
miss me with that.
@WandererUber @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron Don't be like that. I obviously as a fascist, shouldn't have to explain to you why a fascist system won't perv on kids locker rooms now should i? Like you should be able to understand how the panopticon will be used by a wn regime vs how by zog. Τα ευκόλως εννοούμενα παραλείπονται.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @s2208 @sickburnbro @NitroDubs @Terry @Paultron not so easy for you, it seems.
>a fascist system won't perv on kids locker rooms
that's the pan in panopticon for you. And the important distinction between "we can use state power to do what we want" and "we keep the panopticon"
>a fascist system won't perv on kids locker rooms
that's the pan in panopticon for you. And the important distinction between "we can use state power to do what we want" and "we keep the panopticon"