Egregoros

@weaf "WE HAVE PRO WHITE PEOPLE ON THE INSIDE!"
"OH NO, WHEN PUSH CAME TO SHOVE, THESE PEOPLE CHOSE THE HAND THAT FEEDS THEM!"
"OH WELL, THAT WAS JUST A SMALL INCIDENT, OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T RISK THEIR INFILTRATION STATION OVER A TRIFLE"
"OH NO, ANOTHER TRIFLE, AND THEY COON FOR ZOG AGAIN!"
"AND ANOTHER!"
"IT'S OKAY, SOMEDAY OUR CAUSE GAINS ENOUGH MOMENTUM THAT THERE'S A BIG ENOUGH EVENT THAT ALL THESE INFILTRATORS WILL JUST SPRING OUT OF THE SHADOWS!"
"IN THE MEANTIME THEY'RE KEEPING ZOG ALIVE AND OFFERING THEIR COMPETENCE"

@nugger IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME WHY WE'RE AT OPPOSITE ENDS REGARDING THIS. YOU'RE CONSIDERING ZOG LIKE A MILITARY OR IMPERIAL OCCUPATION, WHERE THE FOREIGN RULERS ARE OUT ENCOURAGING DIVISION AND BETRAYAL AMONG THE NATIVES TO AUGMENT THEIR RANKS.

THE WAY I SEE IT, ZOG IS JUST THE LATEST DYNASTY THATS TAKEN THE IMPERIAL THRONE IN THE NEW ROME. YOUR AVERAGE WHITE AMERICA IS A GOTH WHO GOT INVITED IN GENERATIONS AGO TO HELP WIN WARS AND MAINTAIN THE DEFENCES ON THE FRONTIERS IN EXCHANGE FOR LAND. ITS ONLY EVER BEEN A RELATIONSHIP OF CONVENIENCE AND THE CONVENIENCES ARE RAPIDLY COMING TO AN END.

@WhiteJihadJaws @weaf @nugger It's attempting to simplify complex societies down to stereotypical historical ones. I think the Carthage comparison is useful in a rhetorical sense more than a descriptive one.
People talk about America as the new Rome: IE. the successor of the beacon of Western Civilization, but miss the inherently mercantile nature and the "Canaanite influence", with its progenitor state of Britain as well, of the American Empire, particularly when it stands in contrast to the continental European powers it defeated to become top dog.
It's usefulness is to counteract the claims made by American "exceptionalism" and place it into a historical perspective that isn't subject to modern modes of thinking.

@nugger @weaf THIS IS WHY I PUT MY FAITH IN COLLAPSE
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE IS GOING TO MAKE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE SYSTEM WHILE THEY'RE STILL LIVING IN IT
IT'S LIKE TRYING TO INVENT A NEW COLOR
BUT IF WE REACH A POINT WHERE THE SYSTEM IS JUST SO BAD THAT PEOPLE ARE FORCED TO COME UP WITH ALTERNATIVES BECAUSE LIFE SUCKS THAT MUCH, THERE'S OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMETHING MORE SUSTAINABLE AND LESS DEHUMANIZING
ANYTHING FROM MONARCHY TO BARTERING SYSTEMS
JUST GOTTA MAKE SOMETHING STICK HARD ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO "THE WAY WE USED TO DO THINGS"

@Turdicus @nugger @weaf I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING A HITLER 2
LIKE THIS AIN'T GONNA BE THE SCOURING OF THE SHIRE OR TURNING THE WEIMAR REPUBLIC INTO NAZI GERMANY OR ANY OF THOSE FANTASIES
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO UNIFY PEOPLE IDEOLOGICALLY
BECAUSE THEY AREN'T WILLING TO SACRIFICE FOR WHAT THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE IN
"SACRIFICE" MEANING THAT IT'S A GENUINE HARM OR INCONVENIENCE TO THEM TO DO SO, BUT THEY GIVE ANYWAY
NOT JUST LIKE "OH, I'VE GOT AN EXTRA SANDWICH THAT I'M NOT GONNA EAT, MIGHT AS WELL GIVE IT TO THAT HOMELESS GUY"

WHAT IT'S GONNA COME DOWN TO PROBABLY I THINK IS PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE FOOD AND STABILITY WHEN IT GETS BAD ENOUGH THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE
"FOLLOW ME AND LIVE AS I SAY AND I'LL KEEP YOU ALIVE AND YOUR FAMILY FED"
AND YOU'LL PROBABLY SEE DIFFERENT ALREADY ESTABLISHED GROUPS OR FIGURES GETTING IN ON IT
AMAZON, META, MAYBE ELON MUSK, THE US GOVERNMENT, MAYBE EVEN DIFFERENT STATE GOVERNMENTS, ETC.
SO WE'LL HAVE A MORE TRUE NEO-FEUDALISM THAN WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE
BUT THE WHITEPILL IS THAT ALL OF THOSE GROUPS ARE GOING TO DEPEND ON ELECTRICITY AND TRY TO DO THINGS IN UNSUSTAINABLE WAYS BASICALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING
SO THEY WON'T STAND THE TEST OF TIME
I HAVE NOTHING BUT PURE OPTIMISTIC FAITH FOR THE FUTURE
I JUST PRAY I LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE IT