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linux sucks, use linux or linux instead (linux things) (it actually sucks)

RT: https://cawfee.club/objects/991c3ad1-b18d-42f8-a4ba-45e0a39df4e5

@cjd friend look at all the shit I had to add to this setup script and tell me im hyperbolic: https://github.com/igeljaeger/devuan-fresh-setup/blob/main/devuan-fresh-setup.sh

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The two things I like the least about it are apt (but we knew that was gonna happen), and flatpak.

@cjd flatpak is the best thing to happen to linux since the native steam client

Thought it was some competitor to snap...

Anyway, I'm not challenging your experience. Linux desktop distros all suck. I've never found a single one that wasn't utter dog shit to use, with "was he drunk" level bugs everywhere you look...

@cjd you can self host flaptak repos so its not like snaps at all

Is it a package manager for chrooted packages like nix? Because someone trying to do that for real would be pretty neat.

@cjd no it's like docker sandboxes but for desktop users

:sigh:

Oh well...

My favorite linux is still OpenWrt.

@cjd ... is there a problem?

IDK it's just frustrating software advances at the speed of a snail.

@cjd sandboxes are a good thing imo. I installed steam via the official deb packages. Uninstalled it. And now I cant install it anymore because of some retarded apt problems. Flatpak solves this.

Right but then the question is why can't you flatpak the entire distro?

@cjd the fact flatpak works is because whatever the maintainer expects is always given. I tried installing steam on fedora and it didnt work. Had to look up why. Steam client expected some certs that dont exist. Flatpak? Well it ships that. So works immediately.

Okay, but can you flatpak like libc and the kernel, and then eliminate apt entirely ?

@cjd yes you can. Its a sandbox that ships all of linux that it needs. Like docker does. Only a problem for people who have very little storage space.

Yeah so each app carries an entire system with it.

It's based on the assumption that the underlying system is totally fucked - which sadly is the only safe assumption you can make.

But it only makes a blast shield to protect one desktop app from a fucked system, it doesn't do anything to unfuck the system itself.

@cjd I can spend 2 hours unfucking apt or reinstalling devuan to use apt steam or I can just stick to flatpak steam and not give a shit (makes no difference)

Yeah, I'm just gonna sit around and be a bitter old man and say it's a tragedy that the chroot idea from nix is not universal.

@cjd I just want to click install steam and then it works

Same. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@cjd MACFAG HAS NO RIGHT SHITTING ON FLATPAK PERIOD WTF

I hear flatpaks are trash

@JustJohnny @cjd theyre only trash to socially inept retards

So you hate them?

@JustJohnny @cjd very funny

my understanding is flat packs containerize programs for linux so thatt they don't break as soon as a lib on oyur pc updates linux actually has a real bad time with backwards compatibility for native programs becuase lib updates break shit all the time it's actually worse than windows if a program isn't updated regularly

> Distro developers are knuckle-dragging monkeys
> So we'll put a 20 foot wall around our program and include an entire mini distro along with it
> Because getting distro developers to stop being knuckle-dragging monkeys is unrealistic...

:|

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny windows software in an exe ships everything too. Flatpaks are just windows software on a linux platform. And thats a good thing because these windows guys shriek at having to use a terminal. Just watch any linus tech tips linux video

Windows comes with an extraordinarily rich standard library though so in general, you don't need all that much in your exe file.