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@cjd MACFAG HAS NO RIGHT SHITTING ON FLATPAK PERIOD WTF

Heh, I run a few linux machines, just not the one in front of me...

What apple does - for better or worse - is they ship a standard base system, and then you can install whatever using homebrew and it mostly Just Works (because the base system is always exactly the same for everyone). Also their code (what I've seen of it) is generally not dog shit terrible.

@cjd well I use linux on my desktop and the iphone my employer gave me is in a signal blocking box so apple cant hear me jack off on company time

I don't use any phone to speak of - just once in a while to take a picture or get a text authentication thing. Devil's tablet.

BTW, verify that box you're using, I got one and it was garbage. If you put a YT song on and put it in the box, it should lose signal and the song should stop...

@cjd Ive tested it plenty and the second it was closed I cant get a call in anymore. Doing its job

@cjd @teto you know what is similar? the bsds

I hear flatpaks are trash

I love flapjacks.

And flatass.

And flatabs

Now we're talkin!

@JustJohnny @cjd theyre only trash to socially inept retards

So you hate them?

@JustJohnny @cjd very funny

my understanding is flat packs containerize programs for linux so thatt they don't break as soon as a lib on oyur pc updates linux actually has a real bad time with backwards compatibility for native programs becuase lib updates break shit all the time it's actually worse than windows if a program isn't updated regularly

> Distro developers are knuckle-dragging monkeys
> So we'll put a 20 foot wall around our program and include an entire mini distro along with it
> Because getting distro developers to stop being knuckle-dragging monkeys is unrealistic...

:|

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny windows software in an exe ships everything too. Flatpaks are just windows software on a linux platform. And thats a good thing because these windows guys shriek at having to use a terminal. Just watch any linus tech tips linux video

Windows comes with an extraordinarily rich standard library though so in general, you don't need all that much in your exe file.

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny most gaming exe files come with every kind of directx and other libraries. At least the piracy ones. Muh professional adobe shit is prob just a gagillion electron garbage

Yeah, I wanna hate cloood shit like OnShape, but I remember what horrors were packaged inside of AutoCad so ... yeah...

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny APPLE AND MICROSOFT WOULD ACTIVELY SNITCH ON ME AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT WOULD CUT MY LIMBS OFF

I always want to tell you to just install a OS that will run software when you click on it, and then I remember you live in a Foucaultian panoptical open air death camp for white people masquerading as a central European country

mine does that *shrug*

@Robert_Edwardly @madcuzbad @cjd @JustJohnny it does

@cjd @JustJohnny @madcuzbad Caleb when I was still working in second level windows support I thought "how could I make people not even think about this problem" never "how can I teach all these email office people how windows products work". I think the same about desktop linux. Trying to teach them will just result in anger and frustration from them. And then theyll just use mac. Like you do. For some reason.

I was just thinking apple was looking pretty good

It's good enough for me. But I want to never ever ever have to fiddle fuck around with my desktop. Get it setup and then forget it exists for ... years.

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny wow thats what I do. But like I said. Gaming and browsing. I only switch when my paranoia increases (like with systemd)

Do you run dist-upgrades ever?

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny yes and it works. Certainly did like a bajillion times when I worked as a normal debian linux admin

I've never had it work in all the time I've ever run computers...
When a machine ages out, I spin up a new one, transfer the projects, and then kill it.

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny you see for admins it works because we dont change anything. But for devs it doesnt because they always change shit. Thats why modern admins dont let you change the distro packages anymore (steamOS, bazzite, kde linux)

It's not like I go screwing around in /usr, I'm lazy, I just want the shortest path to something that works...

But nonetheless, dist-upgrade has always been - for me - a short road to "2 versions of libc, unknown weird dependency loop fuckery, dead machine"

And yeah, actual *development* machines for me are VMs which I'm okay to kill off when I'm done with them...

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny we will never come to an understanding because developer-minded people might as well be their own species. I, as an admin, fully understand normal users, even techphobic ones. But you guys will never understand "us".

So are you saying that developer-minded people are best suited for Mac ? Because mostly I've heard that it's the opposite...

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny anecdotal but they all use mac. Including lain who created pleroma

@cjd @JustJohnny @madcuzbad more accurately: most WEBSHIT devs like mac because they hate operating systems

> like mac because they hate operating systems

I hate computers

@cjd @madcuzbad @JustJohnny I hate jews

I am a self-confessed tech tard. Always have been. God bless those of you "out in the great beyond..."

@teto @cjd flatpaks and snaps are objectively inferior to macOS' way of handling things

I don't even know what Mac is really doing, except that creating a disk image just to hold an app is goofy AF

@cjd @teto it's very simple and nice. Just drag the "app" (its a folder that macOS displays that way) to the Applications folder and boom, installed

Right I know that, but are they just shipping every version of every system dynamic lib forever just in case someone needs an old one? Or do they upgrade them very carefully?

@cjd call me a windows user for that but they have a point