episcopalian: βyeahh versus populum isnt perfectβ
canadian anglo-catholic: βthis is why we should do it ad orientumβ
episcopalian: βehhh ad orientum has its issues too. some might take it to mean the priest is superiorβ
me: βi understand. this is why we need north-facing liturgyβ
(nobody can argue with me bc thats the english reformation tradition)
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versus populum - facing the congregation
ad orientum - to the east (biblically supported)
north facing - innovation
ad romanum - American catholics face rome.
Ah yes, christian qibla discourse.
versus populum - facing the congregation
ad orientum - to the east (biblically supported)
north facing - innovation
ad romanum - American catholics face rome.
Ah yes, christian qibla discourse.
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@technicallydifficult @lizzie I think everyone should just decide on a direction that day and do it and mix things up every so often. God is everywhere, facing the same place all the time doesnt fully capture His glory.
@technicallydifficult @lizzie the world is beautiful and good (dat Jew in me), unfortunately in early kali yuga humans are neutral to bad. and the world can't come close to capturing how awesome God is, even the highest paradises can't, only the kingdom of heaven within us (highest samadhi) kinda can, and even then Ishvara is still transcendent above the Atman so even yogis can't really know Him (at least until they die in mahasamadhi).
@georgia @lizzie
our greatest churches are only paltry imitations of the world God made. This church in france is attempting to mimic the night sky, but falls short of the majesty of the milky way.
our greatest churches are only paltry imitations of the world God made. This church in france is attempting to mimic the night sky, but falls short of the majesty of the milky way.
@technicallydifficult @lizzie that church is really cool
@georgia @lizzie
This church makes me feel proud of human ability. But going to a remote area without light pollution and looking at the sky on a clear night makes me feel like an insignificant insect. Orion is my favorite constellation. Looking at his left shoulder and there's a red giant star... in the vicinity of his belt and sword is a nebula around a black hole. And for some reason, his sword has noticably drifted in my lifetime. Some several millions of years ago, something happened that moved those stars, and the light has only now reached us that we might see the difference. We humans are not so important.
This church makes me feel proud of human ability. But going to a remote area without light pollution and looking at the sky on a clear night makes me feel like an insignificant insect. Orion is my favorite constellation. Looking at his left shoulder and there's a red giant star... in the vicinity of his belt and sword is a nebula around a black hole. And for some reason, his sword has noticably drifted in my lifetime. Some several millions of years ago, something happened that moved those stars, and the light has only now reached us that we might see the difference. We humans are not so important.
@technicallydifficult @lizzie I think every being is very important, we are all ensouled by God
i like how muslims used to face jerusalem when the prophet mohammed was still around and he only changed it to mecca due to some schism with the local jews
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@technicallydifficult @lizzie @zuki I see jesus as being like any incarnation of the Supreme God meant to restore dharma in a time of evil
@technicallydifficult @lizzie @zuki see if you hadnt transliterated it I could've popped it into google translate
@technicallydifficult @lizzie @zuki monarchianism is strict non-trinitarianism in favor of God being totally One, but unlike Arianism modalism holds that Christ is not inferior to the Father or adopted or begotten or whatever but that He is like a mode of Gods manifestation. thus the Father and God and the Holy Spirit are all totally God but are different manifestations of the transcendent unity, basically different names we can call God. at least thats how I understand it.