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The Bazzite drama is so fucking funny to me actually.

This is exactly what I would expect would happen to a proprietary "gamer" distro that uses Reddit/Discord as its primary way of communication.

These guys are all incredibly incompetent and don't know shit about computers or programming.

All they know is how to package a bunch of a proprietary shit together "for convenience".

Other distros could do this too but they don't because it sucks.

@SuperDicq what distro there is that can replace bazzite (i.e. with boot-to-steam and other similar niceties)

@hj@shigusegubu.club

boot-to-steam and other similar niceties

Niceties? Why would I want my computer to boot into a proprietary DRM platform? If I wanted that I would've just bought a gaming console.

@SuperDicq you don't want but i do

@hj@shigusegubu.club There is no point in having a free operating system if all you're going to do is launch Steam and play proprietary games. Just buy a Nintendo Switch instead.

@SuperDicq point is having ability to modify everything and be able to play anything.

@hj@shigusegubu.club But you can't modify anything on these types of distros.

@SuperDicq yes you can

@hj@shigusegubu.club All the proprietary software they have installed with you can't.

@SuperDicq for steam there is decky, everything else you can modify as in normal linux distro.

@hj@shigusegubu.club For a gaming OS the proposition of "everything except the things that the user actually meaningfully interacts with" is essentially nothing.

@SuperDicq what?

@hj@shigusegubu.club You interact mostly with the steam client and its games on a gaming OS like this. You can't modify those.

@SuperDicq you can modify steam and its UI with decky. You can install mods on games.

@hj@shigusegubu.club That's a very limited form of modification. It's like saying Windows is free software because it allows me to set a wallpaper. You need it's source code to make real modifications.

@SuperDicq @hj no, you don't. Linux weenies love complaining about the lack of source code, but Windows used to have a very active modding community around it. There used to be shell replacements for Windows that allowed customising the look and feel more than Linux allows today.

The momentum dropped, just as there are much fewer themes for KDE today than there used to be in KDE3/4 times. But it's entirely possible to mod Windows into anything.

@newt @SuperDicq there aren't many themes for windows since win 8. most themes are for WinXP.

@hj @SuperDicq that's what I wrote. Just as there aren't many things for GNOME 3 onwards, Most GNOME themes were for GNOME 2.

Somehow all computer UIs have coalesced into this default corposhit minimalist style some time after 2012, with exceptions being few and far in between.

@newt@stereophonic.space @hj@shigusegubu.club If you're looking at GNU/Linux and just considering GNOME then lol lmao.

@SuperDicq @hj GNOME is the default in Debian, so why not? Then again, same goes for KDE. KDE5 has twice as many themes available as KDE6, even though the latter is two years old now and there has been plenty of time.

If anything, Linux environments are no less hostile against modders with their constant API changes. Porting Plasma widgets from KDE5 to 6 is hell, this is personal experience.

@newt@stereophonic.space @hj@shigusegubu.club And what about the countless DEs/WMs that aren't GNOME or KDE?

@SuperDicq @hj and what about those countless WMs for Windows? There's really plenty, starting from the one in Windows Powertoys and ending with a dozen half-assed DWM-like tiling WMs.

@SuperDicq @hj any how, my point is, a lack of source code access doesn't prevent one from customising his system. Just makes it a bit harder.

@newt @SuperDicq @hj A lack of source code prevents you from customizing the system - maybe you can set the wallpaper, or add a limited WM, but you don't have the freedom to go and actually modify the DE, or write another one that works.

@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @newt@stereophonic.space @hj@shigusegubu.club Or what about making your own distribution that has your custom DE preintalled? Definitely can't do that.

@SuperDicq @hj @Suiseiseki yes, you can. There used to be numerous repacks of Windows with custom skins and what not. Probably still are.

@newt @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @hj@shigusegubu.club You can also create your own disney movies and distribute them freely. If you ignore that it is illegal.

@tusharhero @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq exactly. It's not a technical problem.

Then again, there ARE custom cuts of Disney movies, some of them are better than originals. It's not illegal to distribute them, it's illegal to sell them.

For example, here's a cut of Disney's Kenobi series into one 2.5hr film that is actually watchable, unlike the original.

https://www.kaipattersonfilms.com/kenobi

@newt @Suiseiseki @tusharhero @SuperDicq distribution is the exclusive right of the copyright holder.

@sun @Suiseiseki @tusharhero @SuperDicq that is if you actually respect the concept of copyright. My 270:1 seed rating in qBittorrent laughs in its face.