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The whole value proposition of Delta Chat for me was that it gave me a chat-like interface for my personal email account, plus E2EE with anyone I could convince to use it too. No more it seems. This decision by DC devs forces me to either put up with encrypted gobbledygook in my inbox or switch to another email app.

Most of the family and friends I convinced to try DC have since uninstalled it. I have maybe one contact still using it. So I'm afraid it's the end of the road for me and DC.

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I'm surprisingly sad about that. Delta Chat has been a regular part of my communications with family and friends since about 2020.

When I first adopted it, I managed to convince a lot of them to try it, presumably because they could use it with an existing account. I really hoped this could lead to a critical mass of usage that would allow it to displace Meta's Messenger, which is what most of them used.

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Sadly, corporate email providers soon started taking steps that made it harder to use Delta Chat reliably with their services. If at all. One by one my family and friends stopped using it.

Meanwhile the DC team seem to have abandoned this bootstrapping strategy in favour of improving UX. For those of us with the knowledge and motivation to take extra steps to use software that respects our rights. At which point it started to lose the point of difference it had with XMPP/Matrix apps.

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@strypey

> Sadly, corporate email providers soon started taking steps that made it harder to use Delta Chat reliably with their services. If at all. One by one my family and friends stopped using it.

so you are telling me the reason your contacts stopped using Delta Chat was exactly because the classic email usage is horrible and a terrible experience for anyone that wants a WhatsApp replacement, it sounds to me they are on the right track then

@strypey notice that you can have several accounts/profiles in Delta Chat tho, you could have a dedicated address for the (very few according to what you say) contacts that use DC, and keep using the other address in DC just for unencrypted emailing

migrating addresses is super easy in DC nowdays, you can go to settings add new relay/address, then re-configure in a new profile the old address for unencrypted email usage

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@arcanechat
> contacts stopped using Delta Chat was exactly because the classic email usage is horrible

No. There were a range of reasons. They didn't use it with anyone but me, and they can just email me. They wanted to free up space on their device. They got a new device and couldn't figure out how to transfer DC with chats intact, or just never got around to it. Etc.

Basically, my theory of change - interop with classic email would enable it to achieve critical mass - didn't pan out.

@strypey @arcanechat it's about as stupid as Signal's original "interop with unencrypted SMS" venture

yeah people got mad when it was taken away and Signal couldn't be your SMS app replacement on Android, but it made Signal a better app

there is absolutely no good reason to allow non-E2EE in an E2EE app unless you're intentionally trying to create a backdoor/side channel. Users just aren't good at dealing with this. It's too easy to make mistakes.