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21@sun@shitposter.world Where is the source code?
@sun@shitposter.world I spot 20 emdashes in the tiny readme file and you didn't even add the .claude folder to your gitignore.
Also I can't read what license your repo uses without being required to make an account on your forge.
0/10 vibecoded retroslop
@SuperDicq AGPL. you can access it without bullshit via:
rad:z2gAKC6ESt5ZBV419uVPf2vFtEHCT
I use Radicle now because scrapers I have to lock down gitea
rad:z2gAKC6ESt5ZBV419uVPf2vFtEHCT
I use Radicle now because scrapers I have to lock down gitea
@SuperDicq anyway it works really good and the code is clean.
@sun@shitposter.world You honestly even did retroslop wrong because it is a javascript based single page app. The reason people like retroslop is because it was simple and there was no client side code, just pure serverside rendered HTML using something like PHP. This isn't even retroslop it's just aestheticslop.
@SuperDicq it's faster than php
@sun@shitposter.world That's not the point I am trying to make here.
@SuperDicq I understand what you're saying but that's not what I was going for, I made a deliberate choice to do this as a static frontend even if you personally don't like that.
@sun @SuperDicq the point he's trying to make is that you should block him for being insufferable
@lain@lain.com @sun@shitposter.world I'm not very happy with seeing my long term mutuals promote their vibecoded garbage on the timeline. I really don't want to have to block you guys. I want to coonvince you to actually start developing free software again.
@SuperDicq @lain Can you provide me with a checklist of do's and do not's for writing software going forward?
@sun@shitposter.world @lain@lain.com The problem is that output from LLMs currently has a legally ambiguous status. You can not risk integrating it into any existing free software right now, so that's why a lot of projects, with some exceptions, choose not to allow it or heavily limit its usage only to specific tasks.
And on a personal note I think obvious LLM output is extremely tasteless. Seeing someone not even use some effort to at least even write their own README file makes me cringe. I always compare it to the same type of feeling you get when you see a corporate logo which uses Comic Sans.
@SuperDicq @lain @sun Personally, I'd argue that writing READMEs are the most mind-numbingly boring bit of writing software and rather one of the better use cases for an LLM.
@Phobos @lain @SuperDicq I also do admit that there is a systemic issue of what happens to the next generation of programmers who aren’t forced to learn things the hard way like I had to, but for me personally I don’t write any code a machine can now shit out ever again and that’s not actually a problem
@sun @Phobos @SuperDicq @lain I wanna program for fun again* but I don't think I will use LLMs much. We'll see how that goes.
* I've been saying this for a while now but haven't really done anything.
* I've been saying this for a while now but haven't really done anything.
@besserwisser @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @sun i like to program and i wanna learn because it's nice, so what I do is use the LLM as a tool for learning how to program/solve an issue when programming. When I have an issue I ask it how to fix it by giving it examples of what I've done, and when I know I wanna implement smth but don't know how, I ask it to teach me the best practices or how it is usually done in that program.
@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @sun @mischievoustomato That's kind of a trap I fear to fall into. Letting the LLM do stuff instead of doing it myself and learn in the process. Also, I don't want to pay for whatever subscription I need to get something decent for a little hobby project and local models are probably gonna be really slow and clunky.
@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @besserwisser @sun @mischievoustomato You learn barely anything in the process. LLMs are great for newbies to get started and explain stuff as you go. Mostly because you bypass knowledge gatekeepers and nonexistent docs. But if you let it do everything from the start, you won't get that most likely.
In order to use LLMs for "make XYZ, make no mistakes or you go to jail", you have to know how things are supposed to look and work to at least tell it to fixup what it did wrong. And you won't have that experience if you don't have at least some background.
GitHub is a great example when you let everyone aislop a site with barely any experience when most of the original devs left. It's basically unusable now, even if you ignore the frequent downtime. Back navigation half works, switching issues/PRs/code tabs does not work most of the time,...
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@phnt @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @besserwisser @sun i've been lucky to not experience the issues with GH
@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @phnt@fluffytail.org @Phobos@eientei.org @lain@lain.com @besserwisser@shitposter.world @sun@shitposter.world It's easy to avoid Github issues by not using Github.
@SuperDicq @lain @sun @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @Phobos Yeah, you should use Codeberg that instead. Surely that won't backfire.
@phnt@fluffytail.org @lain@lain.com @sun@shitposter.world @besserwisser@shitposter.world @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @Phobos@eientei.org Codeberg has got some weirdo policies right now, so I can't fully recommend it. But overal I think the Forejo software is decent at least.
@lain @Phobos @SuperDicq @besserwisser @mischievoustomato @sun Kinda like how cheating at tests doesn't help your learn. It's just a bypass for a broken school system that punishes any mistakes.
Making the little cheat sheets helps with learning though.
@phnt@fluffytail.org @lain@lain.com @Phobos@eientei.org @besserwisser@shitposter.world @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @sun@shitposter.world I didn't care about school at all and I'm not gonna lie if I was still in school today I would also use LLMs to skip everything.
@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love @lain@lain.com @phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @besserwisser@shitposter.world @Phobos@eientei.org I wonder if my bachelors is gonna worth more because I finished my degree in a time where LLMs didn't exist yet.
@phnt @Phobos @lain @SuperDicq @besserwisser @sun @mischievoustomato
A lot of what you get out of it is your mindset. If youre mindset is "ima have write all the shit" then yeah its gonna be a crutch
But if you really only care to use it as a tool or an assistant or an ideas generator its alright.
I will say its pretty useful for getting started on implementing something that you dont necessarily know where to start. For instance I had some bug with image rendering on my one project and I didn't really know how to approach actually implementing the change. I asked the demon machine and it got me enough of a start to realize that the overall fix wasnt that hard so I just went and made the change myself
A lot of what you get out of it is your mindset. If youre mindset is "ima have write all the shit" then yeah its gonna be a crutch
But if you really only care to use it as a tool or an assistant or an ideas generator its alright.
I will say its pretty useful for getting started on implementing something that you dont necessarily know where to start. For instance I had some bug with image rendering on my one project and I didn't really know how to approach actually implementing the change. I asked the demon machine and it got me enough of a start to realize that the overall fix wasnt that hard so I just went and made the change myself