At this point I'm almost convinced the last 5 users defending Firefox and Mozilla just refuse to acknowledge reality. I don't have the mental gymnastics required to make excuses for a company that routinely begs for money, spends it on throwaway studies or features nobody asks for and then removes "we will never sell your data" from their privacy policy citing different interpretations of "sell" in different jurisdictions. At some point just admit they are a crappy company that has nothing to do with past Mozilla.
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@phnt We've moved from "banking/wagie timecard sites are broken" to "Pleroma no longer works"
@sendpaws And all because they implemented third of an extension citing "compatibility" while the original request for it was declined and marked as wontfix.
@phnt But look, Gamers Nexus hasn't made a video about Firefox going to shit so it's still good I think.
Just stop using it, it's the only way Mozilla will respond to, if they don't kill themselves before realizing it. No matter how anyone asks them to stop doing things that are universally hated by their users, they won't care until the numbers start going down even more.
@sendpaws He criticized them multiple times in videos over the last few years. Maybe if Mozilla decides to fund AI or install a language model on people's computer, he will.
Somehow an update broke a perfect 1:1 rsync copy of the profile on only one of two nearly identical laptops. I had to wipe Firefox entirely, including all profiles and rsync it back after I think v150 update. Wild windows 11 tier shit
@phnt There was a company around here called Sears where the CEO ran it into the ground over decades just to cash out for himself and I feel Firefox is the same. They did not care they were losing money because Eddie Lampert got to cash out and he's a billionare.
They couldn't give two shits and a fuck if their market share is 2% and if their browser is slowly being replaced even in Linux distros because their CEO is probably cashing out on the AI thing before taking the sweet exit package.
@phnt They're funding AI lmao
https://www.mozilla.ai/
@sendpaws I know, Mozilla Ventures has a stake in Hugging face. So far nobody important noticed yet.
@Vidmastereon @phnt Exactly, they don't need to make a good web browser more than 2% of the world uses as long as it keeps the government happy. It'll fall apart, and I bet any of the Firefox forks will copy paste the code without looking.
@phnt too many people for too long were convinced that open source means "Free as in Socialism" and refused accept they need to pay for the software or even do the math for how much money it requires to run a project like Firefox/Thunderbird.
Now we all suffer the consequences of their quest to have enough money to pay their developers and their executives. The Google search deal was probably the beginning of the end for them and we just didn't realize it.
It started in 2004 and now the company is so mired in real and technical debt there's no way to dig them out. They've never found a sustainable model to keep the lights on.
We should see if we can get their entire executive board to be replaced with an LLM agent though. That might help.
Now we all suffer the consequences of their quest to have enough money to pay their developers and their executives. The Google search deal was probably the beginning of the end for them and we just didn't realize it.
It started in 2004 and now the company is so mired in real and technical debt there's no way to dig them out. They've never found a sustainable model to keep the lights on.
We should see if we can get their entire executive board to be replaced with an LLM agent though. That might help.
@feld I don't think "were" is the correct tense. It's still the majority that thinks it is free as in socialiasm. A project asks for donations to cover hosting or afford more time spent on development, and what do the individual users do? Ignore it, shun the project or create excuses to not donate anything (including their time). See these all other corporations using it, they don't donate either, why should I as a single user.
Society has moved on from the mentality that paying for quality software supports the developer, to everything must be free, because everything else is free. Blissfully ignoring that free outside of oss means ads and selling their data. The company can "afford" "selling" something for free, a small yet heavily used project cannot.
As for Mozilla going down the toilet, Google search deal was the start, firing of Brendan Eich and replacing him with a CEO that kept increasing her salary was the catalyst and the change from Photon design to Proton was the point of no return for me.
Society has moved on from the mentality that paying for quality software supports the developer, to everything must be free, because everything else is free. Blissfully ignoring that free outside of oss means ads and selling their data. The company can "afford" "selling" something for free, a small yet heavily used project cannot.
As for Mozilla going down the toilet, Google search deal was the start, firing of Brendan Eich and replacing him with a CEO that kept increasing her salary was the catalyst and the change from Photon design to Proton was the point of no return for me.
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> everything must be free, because everything else is free
we can probably blame America's ZIRP decade on this because cheap money made all of this shit explode. It was useful for open source in the short term but not the long term.
> everything must be free, because everything else is free
we can probably blame America's ZIRP decade on this because cheap money made all of this shit explode. It was useful for open source in the short term but not the long term.
