there's almost no excuse to not install your own battery system now and get solar
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20there's almost no excuse to not install your own battery system now and get solar
@feld uh, you do realise a lot of people can't just spend $6,000 on a whim, right?
@feld ??? no of course i don't own a house. no one owns a house. literally only incredibly rich people are able to own houses nowadays.
we have these signs up everywhere in the USA
@feld i'm well aware of what a mortgage is. no one has a mortgage nowadays. literally, most people under 50 years of age cannot own a house, we do not have the money, we cannot afford it.
@feld maybe you missed this, i don't know. where i live, in the UK, there is a "crisis" of people only being able to rent homes, not own them, because we literally cannot afford to take out a mortgage to "buy" a home. so saying that "anyone who owns a house" can do X is frankly laughable.
as soon as it collapses I'll be buying. I sold my cheap shitty condo in 2022 and have been moving around the country / renting ever since.
@feld i don't understand your point. you just said anyone can buy a house, then you said the housing market is really bad and you can't buy a house right now?
@feld like i'm sorry, if you seriously think any normal person can just go to their bank and get a $6k loan (guaranteed on their house or anything else) that just... isn't the case. normal people cannot do that.
@feld normal people don't own a car. and if they're getting a loan for a $40k car, that's sub-prime and probably abusively sold by the dealer.
@feld and i'm fairly sure if you have a $40k car loan backed by your car, you can't then take out *another* $6k loan also backed by your car. isn't that literally illegal?
September 2025:
> The average American new car buyer paid $50,080 in September — a new record, and the first time the figure has ever topped the $50,000 mark.
They won't let you use your car for collateral on another loan unless it's very special.
@feld i did not misunderstand, i know how abusive US car loans work.
They are dangling high interest rate loans with like... 72+ month terms now which is absolutely insane... but that's not normal or anything. Only people with completely wrecked credit are forced to do those.
for better or worse, the house is the backbone of our economy. Once you have one, you then leverage it and whatever equity you've paid into it against other loans.
It was... 2009 I think when I got my condo, which was a federally backed loan with zero downpayment, they just punished you on your taxes for a few years.
If I was still living in my condo I'd have paid it off already and be living rent/mortgage free, but also I'd probably have killed myself because it was a terribly depressing place to live. No natural light, tiny windows in the wrong directions. Terrible cheap 80s style construction. Yuck.
@feld this is tl;dr. normal people cannot afford to just take out a $6k loan. the fact they have car loans doesn't change that. and again, where i live, most people do not have car loans, or cars.
@feld i don't even know where to start with this... many people who are poor have previous experience with debt and are not going to take out a loan, even if they could, for some abstract benefit, because they're used to being punished for doing that (credit cards, overdraft, etc.).
@feld you are obviously not a poor person, which is fine, not everyone experiences every possible way of living, but... can you just believe me when i say that "just take out a $6k loan for a battery" is not going to fly for most people?
@feld like, i don't know how else to say this, it's not about interest rates or loan guarantees or cars... people simply *won't do that* because they are terrified of this kind of debt.
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1But even so, what is there to be terrified of?
It's just math. If your electricity bill is $250/month and you can get battery+solar but only be paying a $200/mo loan for 5 years, this is obvious. You save yourself $3000 by signing a piece of paper and just going through with it.
And as a bonus your home value gets a bump because of it. It's a win/win situation.