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Phantasm (away)

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And you thought that the X11 IM is insane. On Wayland the situation is even worse.
http://dorotac.eu/posts/input_method/

At least the XMODIFIERS env seems to be gone and a program can ask the compositor to be the IM instead of X11 going down the path of looking at an env variable and doing nothing when the IM in the env isn't actually available.

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lain

@lain@lain.com remote

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@phnt
> Wayland is gradually getting the ability to support input methods natively.

wayland is 17 years old by now. what have they been doing all the time?

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H. Faust

@hfaust@shitposter.world remote

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@lain @phnt Calling X11 supporters nazis

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御園はくい

@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info remote

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@hfaust @lain @phnt

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qugalet

@qugalet@pl.m0e.space remote

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@hfaust @phnt @lain and basically everyone actually. it wont surprise me, if they call wayland.fyi author a nazi

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qugalet

@qugalet@pl.m0e.space remote

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@hfaust @lain @phnt btw its very sad that basic compositors can't do shit. i can't fucking stream, i can't fucking record, i can't game on it, it's very sucks. only shit that works is hyprland and i'm not very happy about it. maybe it's time for minimal X11 dwm setup again because IT FUCKING WORKS

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Phantasm (away)

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@qugalet @lain @hfaust
> i can't fucking stream, i can't fucking record
Not really fault of the compositor, you need pipewire and stupid portals for that to work properly.

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Vokainen

@vokainen099@cawfee.club remote

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@phnt @lain @qugalet @hfaust Especially the part with pipewire and gtk portals is spot on. wl-roots compositors aren't entirely compatible with those, and I had to settle using wf-recorder and wlrobs to get some screen recording working

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Phantasm (away)

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@vokainen099 @lain @qugalet @hfaust Portals being broken is "works as expected". There's even a portal to signal apps that you want a dark or light theme. A DBus service to signal theming. Of course it didn't work for me.

Would be a real shame if we didn't have to reinvent the wheel once again, right: https://specifications.freedesktop.org/xsettings/0.5/
Shame that it was never used to the full potential.

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qugalet

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@lain @phnt dramas, wars, usual freedesktop stuff

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Phantasm (away)

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@lain Rust is also technically two decades old this year. And only became usable in the last few years.

>What have they been doing all the time?
Making worse software in the name of user-friendliness. Also the author of the blog is now moving on from IMs in Wayland after more than 6 years of working on them: http://dorotac.eu/posts/im-finished/

The end result is multiple protocols, spread over multiple compositor implementations, that aren't all compatible with each other.

Compared to XIM, which took probably a year or two to make and with all of its also known issues. But at least it's one standard, one protocol, you can use and it will mostly work.
https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/libX11/specs/XIM/xim.html

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:VD15_0::VD15_1::VD15_2::VD15_3::VD15_4::VD15_5::VD15_6::VD15_7:

@VD15@pl.valkyrie.world remote

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@phnt @lain So what you're saying is that w*yland is too bloated, slow and old to be viable? Clearly we need a clean break from this seventeen-year-old tech and a new display server for the modern ecosystem ®️

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@i@declin.eu remote

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@VD15 @phnt @lain it's time for https://arcan-fe.com/videos/

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johnny peligro

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@lain @phnt foss development (nothing)