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Trans isn't even recognized as a protected class under the Equal Protection Clause (United States v. Skrmetti) so why would the Supreme Court rule that you MUST allow someone to play in a gender segregated sport based on what they identify as?

People out here like WOW SUPREME COURT BAD, HOW COULD THEY

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@feld I'm seeing a lot of outrage based on Thomas's opinion that being trans isnt an immutable characteristic

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@feld@friedcheese.us remote

@georgia it's hard to swallow but he's not wrong. A not insignificant number of people de-transition which means it's obviously not an immutable characteristic.

It sucks but it's true.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@feld @georgia I'm not trying to attac trans people but its just obviously also true that you literally can't know without talking to a person, and then you can't derive intent why someone says they are, why they transitioned, or why they detransitioned. if you can frame this as an immutable characteristic that would be insanely weird

バツ子（犬育てマニア

@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu remote

@sun @feld @georgia
"religion" is deemed a protected characteristic

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@ageha @feld @georgia no one claims it is immutable, religion is considered an extremely strong social concept that has to be accommodated, which was definitely true at least when the country was founded.

バツ子（犬育てマニア

@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu remote

@sun @feld @georgia
point was that "immutable" ought to be irrelevant to the discussion. of the things considered protected characteristics in the states, the majority change over time (religion, age, pregnancy, familial status, disability, veteran status). even "race" (socially derived categorisation dependent on zeitgeist) and "genetic information" (subject to chromosomal loss, other mutations, donor or other foreign cells proliferating, etc) are things that change with time. the only one on the list that doesn't is "national origin"

バツ子（犬育てマニア

@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu remote

@sun @feld @georgia
※ strike that first "national origin", sorry

バツ子（犬育てマニア

@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu remote

@feld @georgia @sun
what the actual ruling turns on is the fantasy of a "biological sex", which it asserts is not a cultural invention of the past 5 years or so (in it's current terminological form, bit over a hundred in spirit) but a fact of the universe across cultures throughout history, and one so powerful that "the benefit 'that natural testosterone provides to male athletes is not diminished
through the use of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones' "

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@ageha @feld @georgia I tried to, in a different place, make an appeal to that that I knew you would appreciate, but I think your position on it is way further toward unclassification than any reasonable society or government at this scale could adopt

バツ子（犬育てマニア

@ageha@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu remote

@sun @feld @georgia
don't even mean actual reality here but the historically perceived reality, which, even in the legal context, disagrees with them

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@ageha @feld @georgia I don't think even the 1919 USA can come back, though. please believe, I would like a world where a woman acts and dresses like a man, there's no law that says she can't and her sheer force of will makes people accept her as one.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@ageha @feld @georgia lets be real though, the libertarian impulse has no actual support in the government even among radicals who almost 100% are really "libertarian but only for gender, but also I need laws enforcing my trans-affirming gender views"

Q.U.I.N.N.

@icedquinn@blob.cat remote

@sun @feld @georgia @ageha
> libertarian
that's because AIPAC politically assassinates them all

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@icedquinn @feld @georgia @ageha the problem with libertarians and anarchists is they are outcompeted by better organizers, who tend to be evil, even if the elaborate crystaline structure they create eventually shatters 100-300 years later

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Q.U.I.N.N.

@icedquinn@blob.cat remote

@sun @feld @georgia @ageha it is indeed hard to coordinate against foreign adversaries who have deeply infected your state already, yes.

they literally set spending records to dump a milquetoast republican for saying war bad actually.

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