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@icedquinn @caekislove its cliche to say but there are valid critiques in marxism but its prescriptions are cancer

@sun @caekislove to his credit cybernetics wouldn't exist for another dozen years so there was like no grammar for talking about these problems

@sun @caekislove
> das kapital: 1867
norbert wiener and ashby weren't publishing until 196X, so we wouldn't have the formal frameworks that class corruption is entirely a structural issue for a while.

still the idea that you have to prove your innocence as a rando civilian is... brain damaged and backwards, eh.

@icedquinn @caekislove I don't think you're actually obligated at all to propose solutions if you make a valid criticism. it is nice if you can, but it's not obligatory. I realize he wanted to change things. just saying that people took him and did really wrong and bad stuff with it

@sun @caekislove the irony is stalin/linen personally ensured the USSR wouldn't work. it very much almost did, if it had been just a bit less obsessed with secret police.

@icedquinn @caekislove I actually think we could probably make central planning work now with the current state of tech if you don't factor in the human leadership problems with it

@icedquinn

Marx and Luther are prime examples of being the one to publish a concise description of problems but making the narcissistic retard assumption that this qualifies them to dictate the correct solution

@caekislove @sun