the khazar myth is edgy but if you want to insult ashkenazi jews by saying were not "tru israelites" while remaining accurate, dont call us slavs or turks, call us romans. its much more accurate, were like half descended from southern italian converts, also it names us after our enemies.
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@georgia
What is it these days the whole world thinks it's italian?
> The analysis revealed two distinct subgroups within the remains: one with greater Middle Eastern ancestry, which may represent Jews with origins in Western Germany, and another with greater Eastern and Central European ancestry. The modern Ashkenazi population formed as a mix of these groups and absorbed little to no outside genetic influences over the 600 years that followed, the authors said.
As per the DNA. There is no southern Italian.
What is it these days the whole world thinks it's italian?
> The analysis revealed two distinct subgroups within the remains: one with greater Middle Eastern ancestry, which may represent Jews with origins in Western Germany, and another with greater Eastern and Central European ancestry. The modern Ashkenazi population formed as a mix of these groups and absorbed little to no outside genetic influences over the 600 years that followed, the authors said.
As per the DNA. There is no southern Italian.
@joey thats a misrepresentation of the study, which ive also seen. "we considered a model where EAJ is a mixture of the following sources: Southern European (South Italians or North Italians), Middle Eastern (Druze, Egyptians, Bedouins, Palestinians, Lebanese, Jordanians, Syrians, or Saudis), and Eastern European (Russians). We used modern populations as sources, as modeling with ancient sources was unsuccessful (Data S1, section 7). Multiple models with South-Italians were plausible (p>0.05; Table S3), which would be consistent with historical models pointing to the Italian peninsula as the source for the AJ population (Data S1, section 16; though see below for alternatives and caveats). The mean admixture proportions (over all of our plausible models; Table S3) were 65% South Italy"
this study corroborates other studies which find ashkenazi euro admixture to be almost entirely southern italian.
this study corroborates other studies which find ashkenazi euro admixture to be almost entirely southern italian.
@georgia
Lol @ using modern populations. My family are as southern Italian as you can go before falling off the edge and my blood is a mix of greek, spanish, catalonian, middle eastern, german and norman and god knows what else.
There is a village 20 km North of my dad's birth place in Sicily where the locals speak some type of ancient german dialect inherited from their ancestors that migrated there from germany over 500 years ago.
Southern Italian heritage is extremely localised. language can differer from town to town. Only a person who has no understanding of the extreme south would give that study any credibility.
Lol @ using modern populations. My family are as southern Italian as you can go before falling off the edge and my blood is a mix of greek, spanish, catalonian, middle eastern, german and norman and god knows what else.
There is a village 20 km North of my dad's birth place in Sicily where the locals speak some type of ancient german dialect inherited from their ancestors that migrated there from germany over 500 years ago.
Southern Italian heritage is extremely localised. language can differer from town to town. Only a person who has no understanding of the extreme south would give that study any credibility.
@joey its not just one study its practically every study on ashkenazi jewish origins. stay mad I guess
@georgia Why can't you accept those studies are flawed and contradictory? Read papers on genetic ancestry from DNA analysis accuracy to understand just how pointless those studies are. Ashkenazi Jews are not Italian, especially not southern Italian and it sounds pretty desperate when people try to claim heritage that isn't theirs based on studies that are at best dubious and at worst falsified.
@joey take it up with the nearly unanimous actual experts, mr self proclaimed expert. sorry you were personally offended though.
@joey isnt it funny that this began with you citing a study and then when I showed you the study agreed with me you said the study was false, and then when I said almost all the studies are saying it you said all genetic studies that try to determine origin are false? no one is claiming ashkenazi jews are literally southern italians, were our own ethnic group. but were genetically closely related to eachother, whether you like it or not.
@georgia
> were our own ethnic group
Lol. Desperate for an identity I see. It's a religion. Not a race. I know russians that are jews, Israelis jews and black jews.
> were our own ethnic group
Lol. Desperate for an identity I see. It's a religion. Not a race. I know russians that are jews, Israelis jews and black jews.
@joey sorry but youre very wrong, its an ethnoreligious group
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