I think it's impressive that israel brainwashed millions of american christians that their country has any biblical relevance
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@sun I mean if youre not a supercessionist it does because its part of Gods promise to the jewish people but Israel won't be a very relevant important country until end times, and definitely in its current form it isnt worth celebrating
@georgia the real israel would
@sun pretty sure God needs to come back as israels king for Israel to be a light to the nations. if "they arent ruled by God but by evil men" is what you mean by fake Israel then youre right
@georgia yeah I don't think christians are obligated to support it
@sun oh I don't think so either
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@georgia @sun
mainline (orthodox, catholic and protestant) christian doctrine: jesus came to earth to die for our sins and be raised to life and in doing so is now the king of israel (which under the new covenant = the church), thus fulfilling the prophecy
zionists: we need to establish a secular state called "israel" in order to fulfill the prophecy
it defies logic to think of zionism in traditional christian terms as anything but a heresy and its subject matter anything but a literal antichrist (if an institution rather than a person)
mainline (orthodox, catholic and protestant) christian doctrine: jesus came to earth to die for our sins and be raised to life and in doing so is now the king of israel (which under the new covenant = the church), thus fulfilling the prophecy
zionists: we need to establish a secular state called "israel" in order to fulfill the prophecy
it defies logic to think of zionism in traditional christian terms as anything but a heresy and its subject matter anything but a literal antichrist (if an institution rather than a person)
@apophis @sun the original Zionists didnt establish israel to fulfill prophecy, they werent really religious at all, religious zionism came later. they wanted a jewish state because of rising antisemitism in europe (and to a lesser extent most other places). there are religious jews who also consider Israel an abomination because they think the messiah needs to come before Israel is reestablished, but theyre on the fringe. I personally think supercessionism is wrong but only because i believe most religions are a path to God. even though I also think that eventually all of mankind will convert to a religion upheld by the messiah/kalki/jesus/whatever.
@apophis @georgia @sun 1) "heretic" refers to dissent within the church. Jews are not christian and thus would be heathens, not heretics.
2) you're basically repeating antisemetic talking points, which have been used to justify jewish repression for over a thousand years, but then saying your problem is with israel and not jews.
2) you're basically repeating antisemetic talking points, which have been used to justify jewish repression for over a thousand years, but then saying your problem is with israel and not jews.
@yakmacker @georgia @sun i should clarify given both these replies that i'm just thinking (given the prior discussion and OP) about the christian zionists
and perhaps also that i don't believe that mainline christian doctrine about israel myself, though i do believe it has been a core christian teaching that was only watered down in the past 200 years
and perhaps also that i don't believe that mainline christian doctrine about israel myself, though i do believe it has been a core christian teaching that was only watered down in the past 200 years