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History of the Nazi symbol and why you've probably been lied to

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Reminder that the Nazis never called their symbol a "Swastika" and that it has nothing to do with the Hindu or Buddhist symbol properly called a Swastika

It literally is a coincidence. The Nazis called their symbol a Hakenkreuz. Hakenkreuz means "hooked cross", and like the name implies, comes from the Christian cross. The first proto-Nazis to use this were the Order of the New Templars, an antisemitic fascist organization that contributed to the rise of the Nazi party. Before that, it was a generic variety of Christian cross that was used for church decoration.

Now, it is true that when Indo-European artifacts containing the shape were found, some of which may be related to the Indic Swastika, that some Nazis said the two were one and the same, but that's different from the usual narrative of "Hitler stole it from India"

The truth is, Hitler didn't steal it, because he didn't even invent it. Surprise surprise, Mein Kampf is full of lies!!! Why would you take Hitler's word at face value???

and the thing is, the "Crux Gammadion" (the name I'm using for the shape as a whole, as its a descriptor of the shape; a cross made of 4 gammas) is found in so many cultures throughout the world, but not because they share some secret unified origin. No it's just an easy to make shape. It's like the triangle, star, or square. It's a shape people independently come up with.

This DOES NOT MEAN you can go willy-nilly "reclaiming it" though. As a Taoist who has explored Buddhism and is still involved in East Asian religions, I do have some religious stuff that use the symbol, but I'm very cautious with my usage of such and try to be courteous. I do not think there is any reason for European Neopagans to "reclaim" the shape and any attempt to do so is very suspect. I really don't think anyone should be reclaiming it if they're European and/or Christian.

Also the idea that Buddhist Swastikas always face left is wrong. Both orientations appear in Buddhist contexts all the time

Now why is there so much unsourced pop-history claiming Nazis stole it from India?
One is that it makes a nice little racial-separatist story about appropriation and why cultures shouldn't intermingle. Another reason is to push the blame of Nazism away from extremist Christianity. It's easy to go "The Nazis were a bunch of weirdo Pagan Hindus" instead of "The Nazis were everyday Germans who were "good Christians". This is why we see so much stuff about Nazi pagans, even though that was literally just Himmler and even Hitler didn't really like it, and not enough about how the bulk of Nazis were Christians or Atheists, the two belief groups that make up the far right today.
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@feld That was hyperbole meant to make fun of the weird conspiracies people have made up to distance the average German from the Nazis. But you know, instead you chose to be rude to someone trying to inform others. It's not like the History Channel used to dedicate its programming to documentaries claiming Hitler was a Satanist or a Pagan or Gay or Jewish.

Maybe try being less rude to random people on the internet
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@feld That's your personal experience. I've seen a ton of people conjure up a fake idea that Hitler was interested in India and Hindu symbolism and that it's why he chose the Hakenkreuz. It's an easy line for pop-history slop to connect because well, the Hakenkreuz looks like an Indic Swastika

Again I don't know why you have to be so rude. Instead of being a jerk you could've said something like "Oh, I've never heard of that before, could you tell me more about it?". We could've had a fun conversation and learned from eachother but you chose to be antagonistic
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@maidservantofnanaya

> That's your personal experience.

right, so then how do you square that with the "I thought everyone knew" defense?

> "Oh, I've never heard of that before, could you tell me more about it?"

sorry I'm just not that fucking stupid I guess? Are you trying to bait gullible idiots you can have this conversation with?

Is this some weird zoomer game? Post complete nonsense as if it's factual and then try to get people to engage with you over it? What a brainrotted existence

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