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@SilverDeth @npc @phnt Man. Years of my life consulting. "Well, for what you want for your time, I could get *twelve* Bangladeshis!" They can go on and get their twelve Bangladeshis, man, like, I'll be here when that finishes playing out.
@p @npc @phnt
In my former life, I spend a few years working for a Contacting company - we were expensive and only hired real talent. Rigorous testing for anyone before the job interview even took place. We were expensive as f*ck. Gen-X owner. Nobody took our bids on RFP's seriously.
Never once saw one of our bids on a project get picked up by the big boys or state government.
Not once. They scoffed.
"We can hire 30 people from Palmer group for that!!!"
- 64 Year Old Boomer Department Head
(Palmer Group was a well known Jeet-Farm).
We were rolling in money, despite having never, once ever won a bid.
Our job was to show up after the "cheap labor" created a four-alarm fire, and fix it.
And we charged those same 64 year old fat boomers through the nose to do it.
They'd rather pay twice - once for a shit job and then a premium to fix it - than just pay people to do good work up front.
I say it again: Fucking boomers.
In my former life, I spend a few years working for a Contacting company - we were expensive and only hired real talent. Rigorous testing for anyone before the job interview even took place. We were expensive as f*ck. Gen-X owner. Nobody took our bids on RFP's seriously.
Never once saw one of our bids on a project get picked up by the big boys or state government.
Not once. They scoffed.
"We can hire 30 people from Palmer group for that!!!"
- 64 Year Old Boomer Department Head
(Palmer Group was a well known Jeet-Farm).
We were rolling in money, despite having never, once ever won a bid.
Our job was to show up after the "cheap labor" created a four-alarm fire, and fix it.
And we charged those same 64 year old fat boomers through the nose to do it.
They'd rather pay twice - once for a shit job and then a premium to fix it - than just pay people to do good work up front.
I say it again: Fucking boomers.
@SilverDeth @npc @phnt Shit, man. If we were in the same region geographically, I'd be kinda surprised if we had never run into each other.
@SilverDeth @npc @phnt Ha, NICE.
Snowden just ended up depressing me. All that shit happened and the response was "Make them promise (again) to stop doing that (again)" and like...cracka I was at AT&T, I heard about the goddamn "Ha, so the government installs these boxes, we have to split and feed the fiber-optic cables to a different cage that we're not allowed inside, isn't that *weird*?" before the "warrantless wiretapping" scandal dropped and they were already building PRISM before that hit the news, like, every single time it's the same shit, how are people this fucking gullible? Very upset. Not Snowden's fault, but still, like...for a few years, just thinking about Snowden would depress me.
Snowden just ended up depressing me. All that shit happened and the response was "Make them promise (again) to stop doing that (again)" and like...cracka I was at AT&T, I heard about the goddamn "Ha, so the government installs these boxes, we have to split and feed the fiber-optic cables to a different cage that we're not allowed inside, isn't that *weird*?" before the "warrantless wiretapping" scandal dropped and they were already building PRISM before that hit the news, like, every single time it's the same shit, how are people this fucking gullible? Very upset. Not Snowden's fault, but still, like...for a few years, just thinking about Snowden would depress me.
@p @phnt @SilverDeth @npc What's even more depressing isn't just that very few people truly care, but that half of the people that do are in favor of mass surveillance because "durr he went to russia hes a traitor". This country needs a reset.
@mrsaturday @p @SilverDeth @npc @phnt it follows the extremely simple pattern of shitbags everywhere
1. "that's not happing, you're crazy, shut up"
2. "put him in jail for revealing our secrets shut him up"
3. "everyone already knew this was happening, it's normal, shut up"
1. "that's not happing, you're crazy, shut up"
2. "put him in jail for revealing our secrets shut him up"
3. "everyone already knew this was happening, it's normal, shut up"
Was one of many things to dispel the myth that people will "wake up" if presented the facts in a clean consistent manner.
Turns out they won't wake up, they'd prefer to play silly mind-games with themselves rather than look at the overwhelming evidence that the world is not as rosy as they would like to imagine. Because the implications of facing it are too stwessfuw for them.
Cowardice.
Turns out they won't wake up, they'd prefer to play silly mind-games with themselves rather than look at the overwhelming evidence that the world is not as rosy as they would like to imagine. Because the implications of facing it are too stwessfuw for them.
Cowardice.
@cjd
Ok but like, what was actionable about these revelations? What could an average person have done?
I was in high school when it happened. I installed httpseverywhere and noscript. I started to avoid using google account wherever there was another option. The admin of a forum I hung out at switched it to https-only
But beyond that? Every day brought more and more depressing news that I could do nothing about. At some point I had to stop reading it
@phnt @npc @p @SilverDeth @mrsaturday @sun
Hey Wolf, long time no chat!
Well, the really obvious immediate point here is that running around like a conspiracy theorist saying "the people gotta wake up" is nah guh work. So that one can be written off...
If you're trying to move the Overton Window, one point is you shift the conversation away from "people wake up" to "people are fucking worthless cowards" because then it creates a social stratification with the cowards getting made fun of. Now everybody knows what they want to NOT emulate.
Then on the other side, you might decide you are NOT going to worry about the 99%, you're going to worry about creating a lever for the 1% who have the capability to pull it. This is really where stuff like Bitcoin fits in.
Both are (obviously) happening as we speak...
Well, the really obvious immediate point here is that running around like a conspiracy theorist saying "the people gotta wake up" is nah guh work. So that one can be written off...
If you're trying to move the Overton Window, one point is you shift the conversation away from "people wake up" to "people are fucking worthless cowards" because then it creates a social stratification with the cowards getting made fun of. Now everybody knows what they want to NOT emulate.
Then on the other side, you might decide you are NOT going to worry about the 99%, you're going to worry about creating a lever for the 1% who have the capability to pull it. This is really where stuff like Bitcoin fits in.
Both are (obviously) happening as we speak...
Now there's a different question:
Everybody has woken up, now what? What can anybody actually do?
Well, there's approximately 50,000 suicides in the US per year - IRS workforce is something like 100,000 employees.
If everybody takes out just one tax goon before they go, it takes 2 years to wipe out the IRS by pure war of attrition. Assuming zero resignations which is NOT what will happen.
So yea, there's nothing anyone can do about anything except the easy switch, but you're not supposed to know about that because When You Kill Your Enemies They Win, or something...
Everybody has woken up, now what? What can anybody actually do?
Well, there's approximately 50,000 suicides in the US per year - IRS workforce is something like 100,000 employees.
If everybody takes out just one tax goon before they go, it takes 2 years to wipe out the IRS by pure war of attrition. Assuming zero resignations which is NOT what will happen.
So yea, there's nothing anyone can do about anything except the easy switch, but you're not supposed to know about that because When You Kill Your Enemies They Win, or something...
@cjd
Or they could just refuse to work and tank the GDP, that'd put the politicians in a hard spot too.
@phnt @npc @p @SilverDeth @mrsaturday @sun
Won't really work, they will import Indians to do every single job (already are) and then convert White Americans into the Palestinians of America (already are)
@cjd
shit, I forgot you're a colony
@phnt @npc @p @SilverDeth @mrsaturday @sun
Well I (personally) moved to France about 12 years ago, so most of this does not apply to me. The French government (though not perfect) is not actively working to erase the French people...
But yes, in the US, the most bang for your buck is terrorism.
Actually you take like a small battery computer and package it in a tamper-proof 3d printed case with a few hundred grams of explosives and some fiber optic cable (because cutting fiber without detection is IMPOSSIBLE)... You rush somebody and drop the fiber loop around their neck, some mechanism synchs it up - you run away and the computer sits there telling them how long they have left to live and where to send Monero if they want to make it another day - AND, it asks them for wifi (time extension granted in exchange for wifi) and uploads the entire audio track of them whimpering and calling people to raise the money.
That's terrorism, that will trigger mass resignations overnight.
But yes, in the US, the most bang for your buck is terrorism.
Actually you take like a small battery computer and package it in a tamper-proof 3d printed case with a few hundred grams of explosives and some fiber optic cable (because cutting fiber without detection is IMPOSSIBLE)... You rush somebody and drop the fiber loop around their neck, some mechanism synchs it up - you run away and the computer sits there telling them how long they have left to live and where to send Monero if they want to make it another day - AND, it asks them for wifi (time extension granted in exchange for wifi) and uploads the entire audio track of them whimpering and calling people to raise the money.
That's terrorism, that will trigger mass resignations overnight.
What's the matter? Stiff neck?
@cjd @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @p @wolf480pl @mrsaturday @sun you were ragging on me calling me a liar and scammer and that I was immoral for quoting bible verses at christians and here you are advocating for that americans should commit acts of terror
If you respect somebody, you don't try to convince them of things that you yourself don't believe.
Regarding terrorism, I said it's the best bang-for-your-buck, and it is.
Voting has no effect, the people that took control of the US created enough rules, exceptions and loopholes to ensure that no legal process will ever actually challenge their power. So that leaves three options:
1. Leave (as I did) - I have not lived in the US for 12 years and I have no intention of going back
2. Just take it, accept that you're a slave, and pray that the system will care for your (if you're connected then maybe this will be okay)
3. Press the easy switch. Go back to the old game (violence), which the new game (politics) was created to replace, before the new game was rigged so that no one could ever win.
Regarding terrorism, I said it's the best bang-for-your-buck, and it is.
Voting has no effect, the people that took control of the US created enough rules, exceptions and loopholes to ensure that no legal process will ever actually challenge their power. So that leaves three options:
1. Leave (as I did) - I have not lived in the US for 12 years and I have no intention of going back
2. Just take it, accept that you're a slave, and pray that the system will care for your (if you're connected then maybe this will be okay)
3. Press the easy switch. Go back to the old game (violence), which the new game (politics) was created to replace, before the new game was rigged so that no one could ever win.
@cjd @rees @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @p @wolf480pl @mrsaturday @sun i think eroding systems in order to make other acts more possible (sabotage, espionage, other various forms of nonviolent direct action) is a good middle ground, as is building legitimate things to work outside of and as an answer to illegitimate systems (the civil rights act makes this one a little more difficult, hard to have things like a whites only legal aid or schools or food banks or private police and courts, but not impossible)
violence has a high payoff, but also a high risk of failure for little or no payoff, and for now, carries a high cost for the typical aggressor, to the point where it can be considered a form of suicide, and someone being taken off the board early for whatever reason is less than desirable, you can't help too many people from prison or the grave
this stagnation we live in may take decades to live through (it may take a lot less time than that, but you have to consider making your plans as viable as possible, if only to help move things along)
violence has a high payoff, but also a high risk of failure for little or no payoff, and for now, carries a high cost for the typical aggressor, to the point where it can be considered a form of suicide, and someone being taken off the board early for whatever reason is less than desirable, you can't help too many people from prison or the grave
this stagnation we live in may take decades to live through (it may take a lot less time than that, but you have to consider making your plans as viable as possible, if only to help move things along)
@multiversal_gangstalker @cjd @rees @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @mrsaturday @sun
> hard to have things like a whites only legal aid or schools or food banks or private police and courts
You're wrong in a way that makes you useless.
> hard to have things like a whites only legal aid or schools or food banks or private police and courts
You're wrong in a way that makes you useless.
@p @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @cjd @multiversal_gangstalker @mrsaturday @sun @rees nah, he's right.
Any tries of making anything white only is promptly declared as racist/nazist and stomped by the system.
White-only things are the only things that are required to have 'diversity' and 'quotas'. Jewish shit, or black shit, or 'latinx' shit can segregate all they want, but as soon as something destined for white people is created, it is forced to open its doors to non whites.
Any tries of making anything white only is promptly declared as racist/nazist and stomped by the system.
White-only things are the only things that are required to have 'diversity' and 'quotas'. Jewish shit, or black shit, or 'latinx' shit can segregate all they want, but as soon as something destined for white people is created, it is forced to open its doors to non whites.
@Suzu @SilverDeth @cjd @mrsaturday @multiversal_gangstalker @npc @phnt @rees @sun @wolf480pl
> Any tries of making anything white only
This is not a solution to any actual problem. This is buying into the fake split. Look up.
> Any tries of making anything white only
This is not a solution to any actual problem. This is buying into the fake split. Look up.
It is. They even say openly that (our) diversity is their strength.
@cjd @Suzu @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @multiversal_gangstalker @mrsaturday @sun @rees This is to replace data with a bad heuristic.
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Blood runs thicker than water, and it always has for as long as people have existed.
Every mafia is ethnic, every prison gang is ethnic, in power vacuums, the gangs that emerge are ethnic.
Every mafia is ethnic, every prison gang is ethnic, in power vacuums, the gangs that emerge are ethnic.
@cjd @Suzu @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @multiversal_gangstalker @mrsaturday @sun @rees
> Blood runs thicker than water
There's an Arab saying, "My brother and myself against my cousin, my cousin and myself against the outsider." You go to Ireland and say "But the English are *white*" and see how many people you convince. Tell the Azov battalion that Russians are white.
"White" is broad enough to be meaningless. For one thing, it includes the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, the Vanderbilts, the Roosevelts.
It is, at any rate, a heuristic; it's a bad heuristic. I get along better with almost any other LA native (including the ones whose parents speak Spanish or Mandarin) than I would with a randomly selected New Hampshire or Vermont honkey. It's not true in every case (because it's a heuristic, not an absolute).
> Every mafia is ethnic
"Families tend to share gene pools."
I think you mean they tend to share an ethnicity and cultural background because they tend to start as a family and the friends of that family.
> every prison gang is ethnic
Not the Muslim ones. I wonder what that means.
At any rate, I don't care what color a normie is: they're goddamned normies. They have to go back.
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> Blood runs thicker than water
There's an Arab saying, "My brother and myself against my cousin, my cousin and myself against the outsider." You go to Ireland and say "But the English are *white*" and see how many people you convince. Tell the Azov battalion that Russians are white.
"White" is broad enough to be meaningless. For one thing, it includes the Rockefellers, the Carnegies, the Vanderbilts, the Roosevelts.
It is, at any rate, a heuristic; it's a bad heuristic. I get along better with almost any other LA native (including the ones whose parents speak Spanish or Mandarin) than I would with a randomly selected New Hampshire or Vermont honkey. It's not true in every case (because it's a heuristic, not an absolute).
> Every mafia is ethnic
"Families tend to share gene pools."
I think you mean they tend to share an ethnicity and cultural background because they tend to start as a family and the friends of that family.
> every prison gang is ethnic
Not the Muslim ones. I wonder what that means.
At any rate, I don't care what color a normie is: they're goddamned normies. They have to go back.
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The fact that Mafia and Family are synonyms is just indicative of how important blood is to building trusted relationships.
> "White" is broad enough to be meaningless
You're hitting on something that is well known. Ethnic group boundaries are fuzzy and there are groups within groups.
This is why proposals like "deport the nons" never make it off the drawing board. They die of edge cases (half-breeds, and adopted, and "yeah but not him")...
But this doesn't mean ethnicity doesn't exist.
> I get along better with almost any other LA native
Well yeah... Social connection is obligatory. If you have to move a body, you're better off asking a black coworker than a twin brother separated at birth. But if those are your choices, you're probably going to jail.
The arabs got it right, if you need someone you can TRUST, you're looking for the closest social connection AND the closest family connection you can have. First brother, then cousin, then sub-ethnic group, then ethnic group, then race...
> "White" is broad enough to be meaningless
You're hitting on something that is well known. Ethnic group boundaries are fuzzy and there are groups within groups.
This is why proposals like "deport the nons" never make it off the drawing board. They die of edge cases (half-breeds, and adopted, and "yeah but not him")...
But this doesn't mean ethnicity doesn't exist.
> I get along better with almost any other LA native
Well yeah... Social connection is obligatory. If you have to move a body, you're better off asking a black coworker than a twin brother separated at birth. But if those are your choices, you're probably going to jail.
The arabs got it right, if you need someone you can TRUST, you're looking for the closest social connection AND the closest family connection you can have. First brother, then cousin, then sub-ethnic group, then ethnic group, then race...
@cjd @Suzu @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @multiversal_gangstalker @mrsaturday @sun @rees
> The fact that Mafia and Family are synonyms is just indicative of how important blood is to building trusted relationships.
Well, that's a family, not an ethnicity. Your daughter marries someone, that person is now in the family. Noticing that a group of related people tend to share an ethnicity is looking at two symptoms with the same cause: parents, brothers, children, cousins, people you grew up with, people that raised you, people you raised. Watsisface's assertion, "I can't do anything meaningful because I can't hang a 'whites only' sign", is kind of absurd.
> But this doesn't mean ethnicity doesn't exist.
Nobody's said that. I did say it's a bad heuristic. The issue's fraught enough without introducing neolib taqiyya.
> First brother, then cousin, then sub-ethnic group, then ethnic group, then race...
My brother is an idiot. (Not that he's stupid, but he is an idiot.)
Hackers, then other autists, then countrymen, then nobody.
The point I was making about Islam holds. Islam isn't an ethnicity.
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> The fact that Mafia and Family are synonyms is just indicative of how important blood is to building trusted relationships.
Well, that's a family, not an ethnicity. Your daughter marries someone, that person is now in the family. Noticing that a group of related people tend to share an ethnicity is looking at two symptoms with the same cause: parents, brothers, children, cousins, people you grew up with, people that raised you, people you raised. Watsisface's assertion, "I can't do anything meaningful because I can't hang a 'whites only' sign", is kind of absurd.
> But this doesn't mean ethnicity doesn't exist.
Nobody's said that. I did say it's a bad heuristic. The issue's fraught enough without introducing neolib taqiyya.
> First brother, then cousin, then sub-ethnic group, then ethnic group, then race...
My brother is an idiot. (Not that he's stupid, but he is an idiot.)
Hackers, then other autists, then countrymen, then nobody.
The point I was making about Islam holds. Islam isn't an ethnicity.
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> I did say it's a bad heuristic.
It's not a bad heuristic, it's a heuristic that you don't like.
But all throughout history, it has been THE heuristic. From warriors in antiquity, to criminal organizations - people fight for their blood.
It's not a bad heuristic, it's a heuristic that you don't like.
But all throughout history, it has been THE heuristic. From warriors in antiquity, to criminal organizations - people fight for their blood.
@cjd @Suzu @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @multiversal_gangstalker @mrsaturday @sun @rees
> It's not a bad heuristic
It's a bad heuristic. You can get more information by looking at someone's clothing than you can by looking at their genes.
> it has been THE heuristic
Mohammed votes no on this one. See also: every other religious war.
> people fight for their blood.
Family is not ethnicity.
> It's not a bad heuristic
It's a bad heuristic. You can get more information by looking at someone's clothing than you can by looking at their genes.
> it has been THE heuristic
Mohammed votes no on this one. See also: every other religious war.> people fight for their blood.
Family is not ethnicity.
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@p @Suzu @phnt @SilverDeth @npc @wolf480pl @cjd @multiversal_gangstalker @mrsaturday @sun @rees it's important to note that people tend to simplify political powers hinging on keywords like ethnic identity to draw support for wars because it's actually important your warriors want to go to war as people being naturally driven to protect ethnic identity. there's a lot of what i'd call ethnic cohesion, observable in the germanic and celtic tribes of (their) early bronze age, where while there was fighting between blanket-termed people (blanket-termed externally by Roman sources, because tribes that got along and spoke similar (if not the same) tongues were passed off as the same people, and, I mean, this is an understandable mistake/politically driven simplification because if they're working together as a unified force against your empire, then..) and certainly feud history between families that determined splits, there were typically family/tribe-based relations, with oligarchic and upper class driven (I mean, obviously, if a family holds more riches, they can fund whatever they want, and grabbing that funding is very important.) kingdom-like structures coming later for some or co-existing (at a slightly smaller scale) for others. It allowed fluid, and not borderless, but agreement based travel for trade and easy communication that looks a lot like people being of the same ethnic identity. it isn't.
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@p @SilverDeth @Suzu @cjd @mrsaturday @multiversal_gangstalker @npc @phnt @rees @sun @wolf480pl and like, if you time traveled to the middle of europe ~1000 BC and tried saying to some local chief that their family is the same as the family down the rhine, they'd straight up kill you, not even necessarily because they hate the guys down the rhine but because you're ignoring a bunch of important (some may even say very personal, like, on a familial level) history that makes this family and that family different. ethnicity is scientifically a thing but sociologically only a higher-level power grab. even now, just go to somewhere in bumfuck ireland and see how many fights you can start by pointing out one of the shepherds down the street has a wife from a family across the feud, and that it shouldn't matter because "you're both irish", we don't even have to leave a single ethnicity to realize ethnicity does not socially matter in the positive.
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You don't need to theorize what would happen if you dropped a bunch of men in a place where they have to fight for survival. We already know exactly what happens, because they already do that - it's called prison.
And in prison they form groups, which are almost 100% aligned with ethnicities.
And in prison they form groups, which are almost 100% aligned with ethnicities.