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Caleb James DeLisle

SLUFI is published!

https://thegoodwork.substack.com/p/slufi

A Simple, Lightweight, Unopinionated, Federation Interconnect.

The problem: While numerous network transports exist (cjdns, Yggdrasil, I2P, Tor, etc), and numerous name services exist (Namecoin, ENS, Unstoppable Domains, PKT, etc), almost all federation takes place over ICANN+IP because we currently have no way to federate across network boundaries, and ICANN+IP is the only thing that everybody has.

I claim that there is no possible solution SIMPLER than SLUFI, except with central authority or PRECIPITOUS loss of security. Furthermore, I claim there is no possible solution that is more secure than SLUFI, except with something like a blockchain and a PRECIPITOUS loss of simplicity.

So while I do not think this protocol is complete (yet), I do think SLUFI is the only realistic starting point for reaching a solution to this problem.

Tagging some people who might be interested:
@sun
@lain
@p
@mint
@jaff
@silverpill

I probably forgot a bunch of very important people, apologies in advance...

@i@declin.eu remote

@cjd @p @lain @silverpill @jaff @mint @sun reads like slop no one would ever bother implementing, simpler is making objects portable and fixing the existing relays to carry them, revolver (never ever) fixes this

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

If you're making objects portable, then what are names going to look like? Everything is just a key in a flat namespace like Nostr?

You're welcome to think that nobody is going to implement this, for my part I think that nobody is going to ENABLE that, because they don't want the spam and abuse.

@i@declin.eu remote

@cjd @p @lain @silverpill @jaff @mint @sun have users announce their own actor object every so often, every overlay listed could already sign the users domain through ed25519, fedi is simply not interesting enough for spam and abuse, or else we'd see a whole lot more of it, not like it's not trivial as it is already

Replying to @i@declin.eu

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

The "F" in SLUFI stands for "Federated", and federated means there are users who exist on servers, like Matrix and SMTP.

What you're talking about is P2P, not federated, like Bitcoin and Nostr.

I claim that cross-network *federation* is worth working on, and that's what SLUFI is about.

If you think that the fedi needs to move to a P2P model like Nostr, I don't think you're gonna get traction, but that's fine, we can agree to disagree. You're arguing with me when you should be lobbying the people who need to be convinced that P2P is better than federated...

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