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@cjd
I have no idea what any of this means except that E10 is a type of fuel.

* SP = gasoline (95 / 98 is European octane ratings, same as US 87 and 95)
* E85 is 85% ethanol 15% gasoline, they sell that in the US too
* Gazole = diesel (B7 = 7% biodiesel, which is nice because it adds lubricity)
* GPLc is propane

All prices are by liter. E85 is cheaper because petroleum is heavily taxed...

@cjd you know what would give a price advantage? at least half of it not being taxes or "CO2" compensation.

Taxes. Petroleum is taxed very heavily, but if it doesn't come out of the ground, it doesn't get the tax.

The official story is carbon, but I tend to think France just hates dependence on foreign sourced energy.

@cjd i think the ethanol and seed oil based stuff is less taxed here as well. problem is that for those you use up fossil fuel for the fertilizers :)

if not everyone was full retard in germany they'd take the taxes and build up a coal liquefaction infrastructure again. guess we just like being ripped off by everyone here.

@cjd @bonifartius some of the savings is lost by less mileage. Ethonal contains 30 percent less energy than same volume of gasoline.

@cjd So in Australia we have SP98, SP95, SP90 (all 100% gasoline), and SP95-E10. But E85 just doesn't exist. Diesel is mostly just trucks these days. Very few diesel cars anymore. And I haven't seen an LPG car in 20 years.

Okay, if you have 98 then that means your octane numbers are the same as Europe's because 98 American is race gas.

Most all of the cars here are still diesel, I have a Volvo S80 with a 5cyl diesel. In terms of cool factor, checks every box :]

Yup, but at 73 cents a liter, it's still winning against gasoline...

Same here, if they weren't retarded they'd be building more nuclear. They just brought 2 online, but those they started building in 2007. You can't take that long to build something, it's just not sustainable.

@cjd if they'd just ignored the rest of EU and did some joint ventures without childish infighting benelux/france/germany/spain/italy could pull off nice projects

@cjd @ned when it comes to ICE efficiency you can't get much better than diesel. the fuckers who ruined that branch of the tech tree with regulations should be [redacted].

EU isn't really the problem. Problem is nuclear reactors are hard to build, and ability to build a reactor is kind of a shit-test for corruption and inefficiency. If you are not 100% on top of your game, building a reactor goes from hard to impossible.

RCCI (which I'd like to try building some day)