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what if there was a $10000 fine every time someone agrees to an internet policy without reading it
what if there was a $10000 fine every time someone agrees to an internet policy without reading it
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I think I would not move to your country because those policies are obscenely huge and I want to do things other than constantly reading.
I actually prefer more regulation on what you are allowed to "casually" offer as an agreement (policy, EULA, etc) with the general public, so that people can feel safer NOT reading those.
I actually prefer more regulation on what you are allowed to "casually" offer as an agreement (policy, EULA, etc) with the general public, so that people can feel safer NOT reading those.
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@cjd they are big because nobody minds
Yeah but you can't change peoples' fundamental instincts.
There's a reason why it's illegal to write indentured servitude contracts, because people would just sign them. Hell, the closest thing to indentured servitude is student debt and people sign that all of the time.
But at least there's a certain amount of artificially induced seriousness to the ritual of signing such a thing.
In theory, you could create an online university and "pre-approve" everyone to do student debt, and then make a $100,000 loan agreement a click-through on your website. BUT, a judge will almost certainly not accept the legitimacy of such a contract and might call you a scam artist.
Actually the biggest risk to all of these online "I read and understand the terms" things is that judges might decide that a Reasonable Person does not actually read them - because most people don't read them - and so this is not a legally binding contract because to be legal, parties must understand what they're signing.
There's a reason why it's illegal to write indentured servitude contracts, because people would just sign them. Hell, the closest thing to indentured servitude is student debt and people sign that all of the time.
But at least there's a certain amount of artificially induced seriousness to the ritual of signing such a thing.
In theory, you could create an online university and "pre-approve" everyone to do student debt, and then make a $100,000 loan agreement a click-through on your website. BUT, a judge will almost certainly not accept the legitimacy of such a contract and might call you a scam artist.
Actually the biggest risk to all of these online "I read and understand the terms" things is that judges might decide that a Reasonable Person does not actually read them - because most people don't read them - and so this is not a legally binding contract because to be legal, parties must understand what they're signing.
@shironeko @cjd i think that the best way to make the legal agreements dial back is to have the people signing them push back
This is SUCH an American perspective.
> This thing that is kind of dumb and shitty, lets make it WAY WORSE so that then People Will Wake Up and resist it and then it will go away.
Americans do this shit over and over, and people never actually "wake up" and "resist it". Instead everything just keeps getting worse and worse and nobody seems to have the slightest inclination to actually make anything better for themselves.
> This thing that is kind of dumb and shitty, lets make it WAY WORSE so that then People Will Wake Up and resist it and then it will go away.
Americans do this shit over and over, and people never actually "wake up" and "resist it". Instead everything just keeps getting worse and worse and nobody seems to have the slightest inclination to actually make anything better for themselves.
@cjd @shironeko
it's just the ordinary system building thought process. if you want people to buy corn, lower the price. if you want to lower driving speeds, apply a penalty.
in this case: if you want to see less legal spam, fine people who do it. what is uniquely american about it?
i think you are somewhat pessimistic here, incentive system design does work.
it's just the ordinary system building thought process. if you want people to buy corn, lower the price. if you want to lower driving speeds, apply a penalty.
in this case: if you want to see less legal spam, fine people who do it. what is uniquely american about it?
i think you are somewhat pessimistic here, incentive system design does work.
> if you want to see less legal spam, fine people who do it.
No, that would be regulation of the businesses who create these things, that's European.
American is you don't regulate the businesses at all, instead when some random individual (or their 9 year old kid) clicks "Accept" you send a SWAT team to their house for the lulz.
No, that would be regulation of the businesses who create these things, that's European.
American is you don't regulate the businesses at all, instead when some random individual (or their 9 year old kid) clicks "Accept" you send a SWAT team to their house for the lulz.