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Trans isn't even recognized as a protected class under the Equal Protection Clause (United States v. Skrmetti) so why would the Supreme Court rule that you MUST allow someone to play in a gender segregated sport based on what they identify as?

People out here like WOW SUPREME COURT BAD, HOW COULD THEY

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@feld I'm seeing a lot of outrage based on Thomas's opinion that being trans isnt an immutable characteristic

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@feld@friedcheese.us remote

@georgia it's hard to swallow but he's not wrong. A not insignificant number of people de-transition which means it's obviously not an immutable characteristic.

It sucks but it's true.

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@feld @georgia I'm not trying to attac trans people but its just obviously also true that you literally can't know without talking to a person, and then you can't derive intent why someone says they are, why they transitioned, or why they detransitioned. if you can frame this as an immutable characteristic that would be insanely weird

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@scathach@stereophonic.space remote

@sun @feld @georgia Unfortunately it absolutely is an immutable characteristic

Blurry Moon

@sun@shitposter.world remote

@scathach @feld @georgia it is but it's also not one that can really be externally tested which is a really important legal prerequisite in a lot of cases.

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@scathach@stereophonic.space remote

@sun @feld @georgia There is a little bit of research indicating it could be externally tested whether or not someone is trans with fMRI brain scans but last I checked nobody it hasn't been seriously pursued

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@scathach @feld @sun there is also even more compelling overlapping evidence of "gay brain"

Tears for Keirs

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social remote

@georgia @feld @sun@shitposter.world @scathach the backslide from normie cishet liberals i knew irl in 2019 going "oh i heard trans people have a different shaped brain from the rest of the gender they were born as, that makes sense" and even conversatives agreeing begrudgingly to that to 2020s era "gender is just a feeling" feels so frustrating

georgia

@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz remote

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @scathach the idea that gender is just a feeling plays directly into transphobic hands tbh

okasion

@anokasion@hidamari.apartments remote

@georgia @MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @scathach what about bisexual people who sometimes feels attracted to females, and other times to males? aren't those feelings?

Tears for Keirs

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social remote

@anokasion @feld @georgia @scathach

sexual attraction comes about because of the genetics and environment (ie early hormonal exposure) of each individual, e.g. there's a statistically significant difference in the ratio of finger lengths and facial ratios between men attracted solely to women and men attracted to other men even before these sexual feelings develop

couple of studies i found on differences in body structure based on male sexuality:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12872893/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24132775/

okasion

@anokasion@hidamari.apartments remote

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @georgia @scathach interesting but I believe this is just trivial data. There must be something more to it.

Tears for Keirs

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins@defcon.social remote

@anokasion @feld @georgia @scathach Imo its mainly to do with natal exposure to andogrens and estrogen affecting the parts of the brain that will later cause sexual attraction — even though we don't understand how that works properly, we can very easily see the other effects of excess exposure to estrogen in the womb like slimmer facial ratios and longer index fingers compared to ring fingers.

Anecdotally, a while ago all my male friends posted pictures of their left hands in our gc while discussing this and only my bisexual friend and I (gay) had longer index fingers

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okasion

@anokasion@hidamari.apartments remote

@MossGrowsOnNormanRuins @feld @georgia @scathach I completely agree with the exposure of estrogen pre and post being born, I just don't believe so much about the fingers thing -but I'm not saying it's true or not, I'm ignorant on these.

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