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I am so lucky to have the best friend I do. He gently got me wise to the JQ over many years, told me about this peer reviewed issue, and just basically fixed my thinking about life in general.

He actually did the meme where he told me there was once a place that gave married couples a loan for $500k and then forgave $250k of it for every child they had... aaaand it was the evil Nazis! *gasp!*

He stopped posting on fedi a few years ago because he just has a lot of family and rl stuff to take care of, but I still stay in touch with him.

Cheers to you, JM.

(I think he's an angel pretending to be a mere mortal.)

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@Soy_Magnus So you want to live in some roadless utopia where everyone is their own farmer, butcher, etc., and there can never be a space program or anything done with great collective effort and sacrifice? You'd be sitting ducks to any other nation that could manage to collectivize against you. It's a fun fantasy if you're just seriously upset all the time about taxes but never really grew up.
It's an unsolved problem :(

If you don't collect taxes, you can't have any common infrastructure.

If you do collect taxes, then over time a mafia will grow up around stealing the tax money - until you still can't have any common infrastructure, but you can't have private infrastructure either because it's all stolen.
Anarchist / Libertarianist model doesn't work for a very obvious reason:

Sooner or later, some asshole gets a gun and goes around collecting taxes. 99% of everyone just pays because it's not worth it to not pay and be the one who starts shit.

And the one who doesn't want to pay? Well, asshole hires him to help collect.
Okay then what's your complaint? You already live in the best system imaginable.

Not only is it pure Anarchism, and all you have to do is point your gun and your dog at whatever IRS agents happen to come by, but you also get the benefit of roads and stuff because of other people who haven't figured out that trick...
I'm so confused right now.

I said that Anarchism doesn't work because you can't prevent theft.

You said you have your dog and your gun for that.

Now you're saying Taxation is Theft (and I agree)

So WHY can't you just use your gun and your dog against the tax man?
The way I see it, it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other.

Under Dross's plan, Tony the Tax Man swings around and asks you for something - and lets be honest here - you're gonna give it to him. Maybe you can sneak out of some income tax, but you're not going to avoid paying tax on fuel, or sales tax, etc.

Under your plan, Tony is self-employed, he's Fat Tony's Protection Company - and lets be honest here - you're gonna pay him too, because nobody wants their house to burn down while they're away. Everybody sleeps.

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No no no no no, you have no idea how the Mafia operates whatsoever.
Tony doesn't send some goons to get all up in your face.
Tony waits until you're gone and he burns your house down.

There is no one single soul on earth who:
1. Is more afraid of the IRS than they are of the Mafia, and
2. Has any actual experience with the Mafia.
So here's the thing, you don't need to "figure out" what's a good governance model - we already know.

We've had like 100,000 years of varying levels of civilization, every single one of these "pop ideologies" (anarchism, communism, etc) has been tried over and over and over again, because they're simple enough that in 100,000 years, it's basically impossible that they haven't.

What we've ended up with is: monarchies, oligarchies, and republics, those are the only forms that have survived.

Now all of these have problems, which a lot of people spend a lot of time talking about. But the solution to those problems is pretty certain to be incremental improvement. Fortunately, we have examples of countries that are better at this than average - e.g. Switzerland, Japan, and Singapore.

So you don't even need to have a unique idea here, just say "How can we be more Swiss?" and you're already smarter than about 99.9% of everyone who expresses a political opinion.