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dross

I am so lucky to have the best friend I do. He gently got me wise to the JQ over many years, told me about this peer reviewed issue, and just basically fixed my thinking about life in general.

He actually did the meme where he told me there was once a place that gave married couples a loan for $500k and then forgave $250k of it for every child they had... aaaand it was the evil Nazis! *gasp!*

He stopped posting on fedi a few years ago because he just has a lot of family and rl stuff to take care of, but I still stay in touch with him.

Cheers to you, JM.

(I think he's an angel pretending to be a mere mortal.)

Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@andetritus national socialism is still socialism lol

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@Soy_Magnus Libertarianism is still just trying to get around age of consent laws

Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@andetritus age of consent is personal responsibility and self ownership and it supercedes every law that's ever been passed. But our government is full of blue and reds who were in the epstien child rape files

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@Soy_Magnus So you've never heard how Adolf came to adopt the term socialism and how it differs greatly from Marxism and Bolshevism and Mao's starvationathon? People who say Natsoc is just socialism like socialism is some taboo boogeyman need more time in the library imho

Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@andetritus if u look at what all the "free" goverment programs hitlerwanted theyre literally the exact same as what obama wanted. the only difference if who gets to pillage the public

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@Soy_Magnus This whole taxation is theft libertarian idea comes from a cutthroat racially fragmented and dysfunctional USA mindset. When everyone's a German, it's not pillage.

Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@andetritus stealing from everyone doesnt make it theft lol. Hey u want to throw ur paycheck into a wood chipper thats up to u im not a nigger I dont bow to the state. I raised my kids without hand outs from the state cause im not a welfare rat lol

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@Soy_Magnus So you want to live in some roadless utopia where everyone is their own farmer, butcher, etc., and there can never be a space program or anything done with great collective effort and sacrifice? You'd be sitting ducks to any other nation that could manage to collectivize against you. It's a fun fantasy if you're just seriously upset all the time about taxes but never really grew up.

πρωτος

@protos@tsundere.love remote

@andetritus @Soy_Magnus you don't need a state to have someone wealthy enough to create a space program, or people that sell access to a road. that's how railways worked, they sold the land their trains would take you to.

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@protos @Soy_Magnus Look, I'm okay with you two not having a state and I hope you achieve your completely anti-collective utopian dream and a organized collective nation doesn't immediately annihilate your decentralized taxless vision. You can do it. You roads and spaceships are going to be superior. I promise.

charliebrownau

@charliebrownau@poa.st remote

We lived without taxation in the old world

Governance can be down at local and district level
without stealing off the working class

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@charliebrownau @Soy_Magnus @protos We are certainly overtaxed since especially 1913, buut is that your definition of old world?

charliebrownau

@charliebrownau@poa.st remote

No such thing as 'overtaxed'
it all needs to go

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tqzVnv7V9Z4

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@charliebrownau @Soy_Magnus @protos You seem to be suggesting that all taxes make us overtaxed? I just think it makes more sense for people to agree to throw in a little of their money to achieve common goals and objectives. I do not want that right stripped from me by a bunch of insane anarchists who have nightmares about road conversations.

Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@andetritus @charliebrownau @protos if it was such a good idea why dont people just volunteer their own money? Cause politicians use it to line their pockets and the general public doesnt support most government agencies or wasted projects

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@Soy_Magnus @charliebrownau @protos They do volunteer their own money. I want roads fixed, a police force, trash picked up, functional traffic lights, ambulances, fire trucks, etc. And I want to get rid of the twats who abuse the system too as you may recall; I just don't want anarchy where no one can raise a family or own a business

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

Grabbed out of today's Anarchonomicon post:

> Or as Frederic Bastiat said:
> “Government is the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.”

dross

@andetritus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@cjd @Soy_Magnus @charliebrownau @protos So we should replace it with nothing and listen to the homeless weirdos who post chicks with dicks?

Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@andetritus @cjd @charliebrownau @protos nigga be salty cause hes not enough of.a man to take care of his nice things lol. I own property now a small blip means nothing

Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

Anarchist / Libertarianist model doesn't work for a very obvious reason:

Sooner or later, some asshole gets a gun and goes around collecting taxes. 99% of everyone just pays because it's not worth it to not pay and be the one who starts shit.

And the one who doesn't want to pay? Well, asshole hires him to help collect.

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Veritas a NIGGER

@Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com remote

@cjd @andetritus @charliebrownau @protos itz the fairest system cause its the only system where I can say no and shoot the theif trying to rob me. Ill take it over tyranny any day. Ive lived remote enough to know people do what they want and laws stop no one lol

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Caleb James DeLisle

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz remote

You already live in an Anarchist system.

It's just that it's not *one* thief stealing from people, it's a gang of them - as you would expect.

They happen to call themselves The Government, but this is what ANY gang of thieves would say...