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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

chink professor talked a big game about martyrdom and how this will galvanize islamic world etc, I think it's all nonsense.
These towelheads talk a big game about retaliation every single time, but in the end they are very often pussies who tuck their tail between their legs and get the hell out of dodge when the going gets rough.

Now, the Iranians may be orders of magnitude better than the Iraqis and whoever in this matter, but still. It is now Wednesday in the Middle East and they have still not even coordinated their full response strategy, and their leaders get a bomb dropped on their asses whenever they meet.

So as bad as this war is for the West, I am not so sure as most people that Iran will enact total Jew death. They mostly look like they got caught with their pants down. Like these people always are, for some reason.
Entire US fleet gets posted in front of his door and they just come for you in the dead of night like you're some shitter.
He even had the wake up call of what happened to Maduro, in case he forgot about all the others they did this to.

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Griffith

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@WandererUber Isn't Gaza the counterpoint to this?

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@Griffith In what way?

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Griffith

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@WandererUber The theory is Sinwar knew he couldn't 1v1 Israel and needed Iran's help, but they wouldn't get off their ass (strategic patience), so he launched a bold attack against Israel, which kicked off the past three years of conflict culminating in the war we see today.

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@Griffith I'm not sure that's the way I see it, the Israelis provoked a lot of that and they provoked Iran at least twice in the mean time, once even under Biden. They've been baiting the US into this conflict all this time.
The initiative was never with the Iranians.
They similarly provoked and pushed Hamas for years before Al-Aqsa Flood. So I can't say with confidence that "taking a few Jews hostage because you think they will restrain themselves to get them back and then get your entire country leveled and firebombed, your people displaced and everything taken over by Jews" is exactly a High IQ play here.

"Ah yes, the Jews are simply killing everyone instead of negotiating for the hostages. All according to plan!"
"Ah yes, the Jews bombed the Ayatollah and his family while he was asleep in his bed. All according to plan!"

That's not to say I would do any better or that they had options, it just seems like a bit too much cope for my liking.

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@WandererUber They prioritize freedom over losses. I think it's a great example of martyrdom because they knew they were going to 'lose' in some sense. Sinwar didn't think he'd beat the Israelis head on. He knew the history of the region, he and everyone involved knew there would be massacres, as there have been many times. He made the decision because final victory means freedom for his people.

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@Griffith oh, right yeah of course. I was already talking about strategy in general downthread so my mind wasn't at martyrdom. Then it's absolutely a good point. I want to hope it shakes out for them like that but I'm not too sure it looks like this for them right now.

But it is certainly a good point, yes. I will consider it in the future.

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Griffith

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@WandererUber I know they've taken heavy losses, but I don't think that was avoidable. At the end of the day, defending against the US airforce is hard. ZOG is a machine and there are lots of ways to apply critical pressure to that machine. It's worth noting that ZOG is still laboring under the burden of the Ru-Ukr war, and still has to keep one eye on Taiwan as all of this is happening. Which, btw, I'm sure is one of many reasons US generals have (allegedly) been threatening to resign. Trump is talking about pulling ammo from Asia, which will gimp the US if a conflict there goes hot.
In a direct sense, maybe this means we'll all suffer in the short term as our system is strained, but maybe in the long term, we'll get freedom.