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@SuperDicq @hj @eri @Pi_rat Banning guns is not going to stop criminals from getting guns, as those are too easy to handcraft and import.

99.9999% of people are not mass murderers, but almost all governments are - thus if you want to ban guns, the government should be first.

Governments should not have guns, but it appears that individuals need a large collection of weapons, including swords, firearms (including a tripod machine gun), clay-mores and nuclear bombs (as that would be barely adequate home defence against the government).

It takes a similar amount of skill to commit mass murder with a sword than a gun.

@SuperDicq @hj @eri @Pi_rat >If you have a proper democratic government that respects the people, you don't need home defense against the government.
Unfortunately, that doesn't happen unless there is the possibility of consequences if the government does not serve the people.

>It also definitely takes a lot more skill to commit murder with a sword than it does with a gun.
Even a pathetic sword swing is likely to kill and doing so is easier than using a rifle.

To use a rifle you need to load it, adopt a competent grip, aim and fire on target, not get spooked by the supersonic blast, handle the recoil and also change mags once you're out of ammo (and also, if you have limited magazines, loading them is difficult, let alone speed loading them).

You can give a mentally ill kid a sword and it would be easy for that kid to commit murder.

An unloaded AR-15 would be far less harmful in the hands of a mentally ill kid than a sword - as all it could be used for is a blunt weapon.

AR-15's are loaded in different calibers - for example .22, .223 or .308 - assuming a loaded .223, without practice, I reckon a mentally ill kid handed a .223 AR-15 could murder one person if they don't miss and then the kid will likely drop the rifle due to the unexpected recoil.

Unlike a sword, which is mostly silent, the supersonic blast makes it quite clear what's happening.

@Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @hj@shigusegubu.club @eri@mk.moth.zone @Pi_rat@shitposter.world I said mass murder. It's easy to incompetently swing a sword at someone, but after you hit one person everyone else will run away.

With a gun however, you can easily kill multiple people back to back. Even without changing magazines, an AR15 has typically 30 bullets in it, and assuming even most bullets miss their target you can easily kill 4-5 people with that if you fire at a crowd.

You can't pretend kids will immediately drop their gun from recoil, the recoil is not that bad. School shootings with multiple casualties happen almost every day in that shithole called America.