Amazing. Nice little "super power" we have over here. A trillion dollars just can't even buy it success while a trillion dollars could have done wonders for education, healthcare, pensions, and many other things. Nice little clown show we are operating over here.
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> a trillion dollars could have done wonders for education
The way the US education system works, I have my doubts 😂
The way the US education system works, I have my doubts 😂
@cjd The potential is there. Its execution is another thing. We know the military can't handle any money. We can't even audit them. I don't think education is losing track of billions or trillions in equipment and funds though.
US education funding just all disappears into Democrat campaign accounts.
The US could be first in the world with current education spending on a system that is not insanely corrupt.
The US could be first in the world with current education spending on a system that is not insanely corrupt.
@cjd I don't know enough to say. Can't be as bad as the military though.
2023 Military -> 736bn
2014 Education -> 904bn
The trick is that education is mostly on the state and local books, not federal. And different years because those are just the charts I found...
2014 Education -> 904bn
The trick is that education is mostly on the state and local books, not federal. And different years because those are just the charts I found...
@cjd Lets pretend that we for sure know education is more corrupt for a second. At least that corruption is mostly staying at a local and state level instead of international contracts with foreign nations such as Israel that get big bonuses from the military expenditures. The military can make a bunch of weapons, not use most of it for a decade, and then "donate" it to places like Ukraine or fuel black budgets. The current budget is something like 1.15 trillion for the military too.
@Sovereign @cjd You can't make high end weapons without a good base iq population, then a good education system from early on. Russia and china succeed where western technology fails because its scientists and engineers are mostly white(Russia) and some asians and chink for china and then grew up and went through an educational system that is demonstrably better than the western one. You can't educate shitskins but even high iq people without proper education from childhood will not be able to build space weapons and hypersonics. So the corruption of western education is very serious. And the bulk of it is from the left.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @cjd Yeah I definitely wouldn't disagree with that. But I hope the point I'm making is also understood. Education is a very long wavelength type of thing that takes a long time to produce results, both negative or positive. Military is more in your face with selling something that is price gouged to the government by 100x. I'd argue its similar to healthcare more than education. Education I don't think is selling a pencil for $100 but hospitals will charge insurance $50 for a single Advil.
@Sovereign @cjd I understand. I personally believe its dei mostly and failing education standards seconds. However you have to consider the fact that education in American/western countries rotted way before we might think it did. Also for American education specifically, as i understand it, they actually do "sell a pencil" for a hundred bucks in the sense that only the rich or people who will condemn themselves to half a lifetime of debt will get a "decent" degree worth anything.
@Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta @cjd They don't sell a pencil for $100 because parents have to buy the kids pencils. Which is partially why I'm like "well the less for the military, maybe parents won't have to buy pencils for the kids". However, I realize after saying that I probably will have people coming at me saying "but why should the state buy children the pencils when parents should?".
> less for the military, maybe parents won't have to buy pencils for the kids
That's famous teacher's union bullshit. If it were true, then you would think that somewhere in the entire history of public schooling costs spiraling out of control, free pencils would have been fit in there.
But of course not, you can never give the schools enough money that they're not starving for more...
If you want free pencils, scrapping the military won't get you there, what will get you there is to scrap the public school system and give vouchers for private school, because that's PRECIPITOUSLY cheaper than public.
I'm not defending military spending, it's just that giving money to public education will not lead to absolutely anything except more communists.
That's famous teacher's union bullshit. If it were true, then you would think that somewhere in the entire history of public schooling costs spiraling out of control, free pencils would have been fit in there.
But of course not, you can never give the schools enough money that they're not starving for more...
If you want free pencils, scrapping the military won't get you there, what will get you there is to scrap the public school system and give vouchers for private school, because that's PRECIPITOUSLY cheaper than public.
I'm not defending military spending, it's just that giving money to public education will not lead to absolutely anything except more communists.
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta I'm not a libertarian. I'm a socialist. I am not into privatizing health, education, military, or even certain resources. Does it mean public sectors can't do wrong or be corrupt? No, of course not. However I think certain things shouldn't be be given to vultures. So it is very possible we just might not agree on this. I say that while realizing the many pitfalls that can exist in public systems. One example include the brain-drain that exists in Canada for doctors. These things would be solved by more authoritarian means but capitalists are kind of adverse to that unless its private capital dictating the authority.
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> I'm not a libertarian. I'm a socialist.
If you want to convince anybody of the Wonders of Socialism, you'd be better off describing almost any socialism other than the US public education system.
That would be like a Libertarian pointing to a gambling casino as an example of the free market.
It's not very convincing.
If you want to convince anybody of the Wonders of Socialism, you'd be better off describing almost any socialism other than the US public education system.
That would be like a Libertarian pointing to a gambling casino as an example of the free market.
It's not very convincing.
@cjd @Kalogerosstilitis2RevengeoftheJunta I never claimed the US education system was socialist. Maybe you could argue "social democracy" but I wouldn't confound social democracy (capitalism) with socialism.
> I wouldn't confound social democracy (capitalism) with socialism.
Are you doing the Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried meme? 👀
I'm not a lolbert True Believer here, but US K-12 schooling does happen to be one case where privatization is a fast easy way to make an insanely shitty system less shitty...
Are you doing the Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried meme? 👀
I'm not a lolbert True Believer here, but US K-12 schooling does happen to be one case where privatization is a fast easy way to make an insanely shitty system less shitty...